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Post by pre3077 on Oct 16, 2007 22:42:24 GMT -5
so after reading all the postings regarding Hughes and OFSAA this year.....and seeing that 3 people actually posted that he won't win, makes me scratch my head and wonder what they could possibly be on!!!! were you drunk?
You can't beat a guy who refuses to lose!!!! At Carter this year...he sandbagged like 85% of the race for pete's sake and still won by like 6 seconds. Over a guy who is suppose to be his biggest competition none the less hahaha.
All im saying is the 3 (wannabee runners) who says he won't/can't win at OFSAA owe the ENTIRE Senior boys field a huge apology hahaha. The last thing you want to do is give him even more motivation to hurt you by toying with you in the race haha. Hopefully he hasn't seen any of this........actually i might just show him so he can see the disrespect...
all im saying is....the guy is unbelievable....the biggest heart i have seen in a runner and a tremendous talent.....i so can't wait to see the pain on all the guys face, as they watch him pull away further, and further.
Goodluck guys.....i will be the guy there watching saying.....I TOLD YOU SO.
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Post by runner2000 on Oct 17, 2007 1:49:18 GMT -5
All I have to say in regards to Hughes winning is I hope he beats kids like Ahmed, Smith, and Malette. Those kids are two years younger- a year makes a huge difference in young guys developing as runners, you can only imagine what two does. If any of these grade 11's are even close to him, I consider that a victory in itself. P.S. Sandbagging and winning by 6 seconds in a cross race (which I am guessing is approximately 7km) is not that great- if it was a 1500m or 3k, that is a totally different story. Put him up against university guys- then see how he does.
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Post by icyhot on Oct 17, 2007 7:49:42 GMT -5
Well let's see....last year at nationals I believe he was with university guys and did just fine...6th and making Team Canada. Next year he'll be involved in a whole new level of training and competition and I'm sure... hopefully under the guidance of a good coach... will only continue to excel. And if huges had lead the whole race or pulled away early it would have been more than 6 sec. Why kill yourself for nothing?? gtg
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Post by badshopper on Oct 17, 2007 8:22:32 GMT -5
Good point, but hughes was 4th at nationals with those university guys TWO YEARS OLDER THEN HIM not 6th! ITs not really an age thing. True most guys don't become great until there abit older, but alot of guys only in grade 11 now have already kind of had there dramatic growth in sports. Obviously thats not fact but im going to say its pretty close!
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Post by northrunner on Oct 17, 2007 14:27:55 GMT -5
haha badshopperr ..(hmm rochestor?) I agree with you. It's Hughes' race to lose, everybody with any sense knows that. Now what about the rest of those top 10 senior boys....
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Post by kstate on Oct 18, 2007 20:27:46 GMT -5
I know this is slightly off topic but whats with hughes/walters staying an extra year... im sure these guys got some offers? Any one know what kind?
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Post by bcywind on Oct 18, 2007 20:37:38 GMT -5
Jp malette may be undeafeated this whole pre-season/season but u know how these things go...Top 5 at best for him is my prediction. I think its Hughes and Morrison for top 2...there experienced at these harsh 7k's. Malette will fosho win the gr.11 catagory tho
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Post by xfactor on Oct 18, 2007 20:45:39 GMT -5
It's simple really. He had no glory when leeder was running so he wants his share of the ofsaa golds. My question is why are the moores/berkis/walters stayin back? i mean how about you guys go off to university like all the other runners. Lets face the facts, your not staying back to "make your marks better" if you wanted to go to university you you would of put forth the effort in gr 12. You guys had your shot, get over it and on with your running career!
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Post by knights on Oct 18, 2007 20:48:16 GMT -5
ooooooo
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Post by redandblack on Oct 18, 2007 21:21:12 GMT -5
It's simple really. He had no glory when leeder was running so he wants his share of the ofsaa golds. My question is why are the moores/berkis/walters stayin back? i mean how about you guys go off to university like all the other runners. Lets face the facts, your not staying back to "make your marks better" if you wanted to go to university you you would of put forth the effort in gr 12. You guys had your shot, get over it and on with your running career! Hey man, do you have any idea what any of the above mentioned athletes personal situation regarding school consists of? If not your in no position to take shots at someone for coming back for a 5th year.
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Post by runonair on Oct 18, 2007 21:26:00 GMT -5
x-factor your a joke. I love guys like you who chirp the v-lappers because your season is going down hill. Stop blaming other people kid, take responsibility for your own decaying season. Guys like the Moores, Hughes, Berkis, and the Walters are all quality runners and have been over their high school careers. They all have their own personal reason for staying back so lay off. It could be as simple as maybe they needed particular courses to get into certain programs or they just didn’t know where/what to do/go after high school and needed a year to figure it out, it doesn’t matter. I’m not speaking on their behalf but just pointing out that if you have a problem with it lets see you take them down in a race eh? I agree with redanblack otherwise your in no position to say anything bud.
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Post by runner2000 on Oct 18, 2007 21:27:00 GMT -5
After taking away double year midgets and also changing the age categories, I think they should have also implemented the rule that if someone stays back, they can race- but they can not receive a medal- they can merely be displacers. It would solve most of the problems. If not, they should have just made grade 12s (and victory lappers) the only seniors. Because if a grade 11 ends up being the only one who loses to a kid like Hughes (or another grade 13 in the four year high school system), he definitely deserves gold- he is the top "true high school" athlete according to the Ontario school board system. On a side note, I have so much respect for Leeder- he was practically a grade 11 when he graduated due to such a late birthday- and he still moved on with his career at 17.
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Post by runningwizard on Oct 18, 2007 21:50:25 GMT -5
Dont know if anyone has heard this, but Jacob Smith of TISS has broke Leeder's EOSSAA record yesterday and ran 2 minutes faster than he ever has and faster than Leeder ever has?
What in the hell is with that?
Is this bullshit or is the Brockville paper on drugs?
Can someone expand on this?
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Post by blackjays on Oct 18, 2007 22:06:15 GMT -5
After taking away double year midgets and also changing the age categories, I think they should have also implemented the rule that if someone stays back, they can race- but they can not receive a medal- they can merely be displacers. It would solve most of the problems. If not, they should have just made grade 12s (and victory lappers) the only seniors. Because if a grade 11 ends up being the only one who loses to a kid like Hughes (or another grade 13 in the four year high school system), he definitely deserves gold- he is the top "true high school" athlete according to the Ontario school board system. On a side note, I have so much respect for Leeder- he was practically a grade 11 when he graduated due to such a late birthday- and he still moved on with his career at 17. hmm OFSAA eligibility is 5 years. Schools have the 5 year option which doesn't have to be exercised but can be. I think that solves that one.
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Post by boycey on Oct 18, 2007 22:12:01 GMT -5
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Post by runner22 on Oct 18, 2007 22:18:21 GMT -5
Jacob smith only broke the record by 8/10th of a second. not that thast a good feet but it says the conditions were also perfect. He did not run 2 minutes faster then leader ever did, only then what he ever did. And as for the rest of the team milks was almost a minute behind and who knows where the rest were. I really dont think that there team is looking to hot but as for smith mabe he'll pul out pretty big at ofsaa. Who knows. I'm still a big fan of massey on this one. Massey for senior boys win.
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Post by runner22 on Oct 18, 2007 22:19:11 GMT -5
"The sunshine fell directly on TISS runner Jacob Smith, who broke the course record in the seven-kilometre senior boys with a time of 22:17.10. The 17-year-old Smith snapped former teammate and champion runner Matt Leeder's course record by eight-10ths of a second"
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Post by boycey on Oct 18, 2007 22:25:49 GMT -5
Well I suppose ideal conditions would do that. Still, that's not to take away from Smith's accomplishment. Although will agree with you, runner... TISS is not looking too hot judging by those results...
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Post by runningwizard on Oct 18, 2007 22:32:08 GMT -5
I am just looking at results on here and and it seems the only team to face both Massey and TISS is St-Mike's.
If you compare the runners and slot the other teams runners into the other meets in comparison to the St-Mike's runners, TISS's 4th runner is around 15 seconds behind Massey's 2nd runner!
Look up the Trinity results and then look up the Pre-Ofsaa results and the St-Mike's boys are all in there for both races.
TISS could put 3 ahead of Massey's 1 and you heard it here first.
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Post by Walters on Oct 19, 2007 10:56:10 GMT -5
Like blackjays says, you do have 5 years of eligibility in high school. So I don't understand why you would give a grade 11 a gold medal if he lost the race. Victory Lapper or not, it is still 5 years of eligibility. We had to deal with it in our grade 11 year. Like Leeder, we have a late birthday and just recently turned 18. We decided to come back a year because we had no idea what to do, and at the age of 17, basically weren't ready to move on yet. So therefore coming back a year seemed like a great option. I'm sure Hughes, Berkis, Jurysta and the Moore's all have similar reasons for staying back. Even Leeder always said he was mostly likely going to come back a year. So quit chirping us for coming back because your not having a good year.
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Post by runner22 on Oct 19, 2007 16:49:30 GMT -5
runningwizard do u really think tiss can put 3 runners in the top 10 cause id be surprised to see if massey doesnt put 1 mabe even 2 runners in top 10. I wouldnt be surprised if massey's next 3 are top 25 as well. and if tiss can some how get there first 3 runners ahead of massey they deserve to win. Also if tiss puts 3 ppl ahead of massey that first couple ppl across the line will be the most spread out ever because every race of tiss's has been like a minute seperating each of them.
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Post by coolrunning on Oct 19, 2007 19:19:01 GMT -5
i think this SB team match up is shaping up to be quite competitive..
the massey results are definitely impressive.. but to those of you judging the Tiss results.. cleary jacob ran extremely well.. but milks has been in front, and right behind smith all year.. just last week milks beat smith by 35 seconds or so. if they can run togethe the way they did in NYC.. they could pull each other along to a top 10 finish. I think for both teams it will come down to their 3rd and 4th runners.
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Post by G Nicol on Oct 19, 2007 19:24:16 GMT -5
my prediction is that matt hughes doesnt win. I say JP malette wins. He may be grade 11 but im pretty sure he hasnt even been close to pushed in any race this year and has ran away with them all, including pre-ofsaa. JP has been pushed, Tyler Shibley had about 20 meters on JP and Rob at pre-ofsaa. Both of them closed the gap on the last hill and Shibley stuck with him till about 800m to go. Also he has been pushed by Paul Janikowski.
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Post by southfan on Oct 19, 2007 20:18:22 GMT -5
Not a chance TISS can put 3 runners ahead of Massey's 1st. The top 2 runners for each school will mix it up - Massey can cover TISS's 3rd and for the 4th - all I can say is Massey WINS.
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Post by intheface on Oct 19, 2007 22:27:02 GMT -5
yea who exactly are these 3 tiss runners that will beat massy's first
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Post by Eldridge on Oct 19, 2007 23:21:16 GMT -5
yea who exactly are these 3 tiss runners that will beat massy's first not sure of the names, but 2 of them may have been at worlds over the summer, but of course that was for track. maybe theyve never had any good results in xc before? but then again, who really knows with unknowns
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Post by CMosesRun on Oct 20, 2007 0:18:14 GMT -5
runningwizard do u really think tiss can put 3 runners in the top 10 cause id be surprised to see if massey doesnt put 1 mabe even 2 runners in top 10. TISS can't and will not put 3 runners ahead of Massey's 1 but you saying that Massey could possibly put 2 in the TOP 10 is even more ridiculous than what runningwizard said!
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Post by icyhot on Oct 20, 2007 13:39:19 GMT -5
Look, all of us had to race grade 13s and now the V-lappers...get over it and exercise that option if you want. Also, quite a few guys I have spoken with have school credit issues because of NCAA rules and have to stay back to get what's needed to be eligible to go to school in the States. Even leeder was going to stay back, but in the end was getting such a sweet deal that he couldn't risk anything that could happen this year. Run a mile in their shoes before you assume things.
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Post by disturber on Oct 21, 2007 12:54:23 GMT -5
runningwizard do u really think tiss can put 3 runners in the top 10 cause id be surprised to see if massey doesnt put 1 mabe even 2 runners in top 10. I wouldnt be surprised if massey's next 3 are top 25 as well. and if tiss can some how get there first 3 runners ahead of massey they deserve to win. Also if tiss puts 3 ppl ahead of massey that first couple ppl across the line will be the most spread out ever because every race of tiss's has been like a minute seperating each of them. the most amazing thing about this post isn't that runner22 says massey could get 2 in the top 10 (that is crazy talk though as daryl will finished 8th at best), but what is even more amazing is the statement that they could have 5 in the top 25!!! this isn't SWOSSA that we're talking about, there is more to OFSAA than the runners from Windsor!
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Post by southfan on Oct 21, 2007 13:15:51 GMT -5
I just saw Massey put 4 guys ahead of a kid that placed 21st at OFSAA senior boys last year and their 5th guy was only one second behind and the 8th or 9th runner in the race was 3rd in the junior 1500 last year. Disturber you may want to reconsider your post.
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