BC High School Track 2010

[scottkent]

Last post on the note from Pre and Prefontaine. Justin and Connor are 3 for 3 in their life time races. The goals for this cross season was making the BC team and racing at the Junior Nationals. Being a Juvenile his big year at Nationals will be next year (peaking for the Nationals will be the goal next year) but as you witnessed this year the big show is tougher. Having Justin and Connor experience the Junior nationals a year earlier better prepares them for a chance of making the National team next year. So, yes, the goal was to get to the big show and so peaking for BC Club Championships was the aim. Every top junior and juvenile BC runner, that was healthy, was there except James Clark. The fact that Connor and Justin beat all other Junior runners was a shock. Placing in the top 6 was the aim. The Fraser Valley Championships was two days prior to the Club championships and I think Justin ran a strong race at the BC High School Championships. The goal was to try and break away from Connor. That did not pan out but he did manage to make it a two man race. The win is not everything and although more people attend the BC High School Championships they are not very important unless that is as far as your running takes you. I don't remember any of my BC Cross Country Championships and it wasn't because I didn't win. Other more important races over the years became much more memorable.

As for the flogged 4x400m relay......Well The reason the 3:27 is so impressive is because they are not peaked. They are nowhere near the speed portion of there season. They are still in the middle of hills and weights! The fact that they have done that gives me the confidence to say what I have said. I see them 5 days a week and I know what they should be able to achieve in 4 months. 3 out of the four last year (off very little serious training) have run under 52. 3rd and 4th in the BC Club track and field championships and Adam Paul-Morris did it at the Trevor Craven. Since June these kids have not missed a training day and I am very confident that if they stay healthy Oak Bay and WRCA will have more than their handsfull. Don't forget the Langley team! Keep the rants coming. It makes for fun reading. We don't have to make it personal but little jabs don't hurt.

[pre]

But if the athletes are in the middle of hills and weights why the hell are they racing? Seems like an awful idea to me. By June these kids are gunna be very burnt out and injury prone.

[aintnostoppenme]

HAHAHAHA i miss a week of tnf north, and this topic is on fire. am not firefighter so I'll spark it a little more.[glow=red,2,300]THE SEMI TEAM WILL BREAK 3 20 SAID IT DONE JUSTIN WILL GOLD IN 2KM STEEPLE AND 3000M AND 1500M [/glow]My reason for this is that i have seen these guys a few times training in Surrey and in Downtown Vancouver, this the best example of strong build team. These guys are pack even tough they are from different school and be competing against each other. i give the 800M to Sean Keane. Pre and blackmoma you guys can't say that the semi's 400 team will burn out when they only ran 1 race. I believe year long training has it benifits.

[whitelightning]

Why in the world would they be burnt out or be more prone to injury!?! Seems to me like they are in a great training phase right now with hills, weights, probably just hitting the flats and gettin some speed in, and that would be getting them really strong and fit. IM PRETTY SURE ONE RACE ISANT GONNA BURN THEM OUT! Im sure it was just to measure their improvement and get some of their turn over going and also feeling good mixing it up with some of the universities and being right on their backs at the end! I am VERY impressed with their improvement and also there speed in the middle of January and in a training phase and if they break 3:20 or just come close Im sure if they arent the strongest team out there they will be right up beside the strongest and best teams in the 4x4 and by the time the BC's role around the other teams better be scared of what these guys are gonna be capable of in the relay. I predict the semi guys to be the BC HS 4x 4 track and field champions!

[blackmambas]

yea acually u have some very valid points that semi will run under 3:20
kk so perfect we have 3 runners at 52. that was scott said. So thts perfect now even if we can get a 50. out of lucas, who im assuming is there best runner, although he has never run 51. before. so 52 + 51 +51 + 50 = 3:19
That perfect. its gunna be the best team to ever come outa bc. I cant wait to watch the bc's.

[ronb]

For you history buffs......In about 1963, Oak Bay had the following 4 x 400 team...
Remember, all times were run on cinder and/or grass, and these guys were never remotely pushed....
Bob McLaren - won the 100 and 200 in the City Meet, went on scholarship to Oregon State, where he ran 51. something - for the 400 m. hurdles - 1968 Olympian. I'm not sure of his best 400 m. flat time, but he could have breezed well under 50 seconds, on cinders, in 1963,
probably 48 point if pushed...

John Edwards - won the 400 in the City Meet, and a couple of weeks later, he ran 49.8, from the blocks, on cinders. Another sub 49 on a relay leg, if pushed...

Rick Humber - His dad was a 1936 Olympian, and later Olympic Coach, and Rick was a great sprinter and jumper --- 50 point on a relay leg, no problem...
Rick Higgins - again more of a very good 100/200 guy, but lots of leg speed and very tough. Probably the slowest of the 4 at around 51.point...
I think (memory is an issue here) that these guys won the Vancouver Relays in some sort of low 3:20 time - early May, on cinders, no competition...
This will never be proven, of course, but I think this team could have run, on a modern track, and with some good competition, way under 3:20, maybe closer to 3:16.
I have been at dozens of BCHS Championships, and I think this was the best team ever...

[aintnostoppenme]

yea, maybe if they did, they could had have broke 3 20. But what i hate is that others provinces and states are producing better runner, and posting better times. Rather than trashing scottkent for saying his guys are going to post 3:20 we should be encouraged to train our own teams to do better. Competition will bring the best out of us all

[prefontaine]

I'm a little upset you turned to the darkside black mambas, but well put. It looks like were just going to have to let the results do the talking and see how this one pans out. Its going to be a heck of a race to watch, with some very quick times.

[whitelightning]

wow aintnostoppenme brought some peace to this thread and dare I say it some love for the semi boys lol. Yes it is going to be a great race and maybe, hopefully a record breaking one too.

[pre]

Feb 1, 2010 20:51:32 GMT -5 aintnostoppenme said:

HAHAHAHA i miss a week of tnf north, and this topic is on fire. am not firefighter so I'll spark it a little more.[glow=red,2,300]THE SEMI TEAM WILL BREAK 3 20 SAID IT DONE JUSTIN WILL GOLD IN 2KM STEEPLE AND 3000M AND 1500M [/glow]My reason for this is that i have seen these guys a few times training in Surrey and in Downtown Vancouver, this the best example of strong build team. These guys are pack even tough they are from different school and be competing against each other. i give the 800M to Sean Keane. Pre and blackmoma you guys can't say that the semi's 400 team will burn out when they only ran 1 race. I believe year long training has it benifits.

Year long training does have its benifets. But racing in Janurary is not year-long training. You all can't honestly sit there and say if these kids have really been training since June they are not going to be prone to injury.

Does anyone know if this the same Semi team as last year?

Why Sean Keane in the 800? I think the reigning champ, Travis Vugataveen, after punking last year's loaded field, is going to run away with it this year. Not that the 800 isn't insanely deep (Thomas Riva, Simon Bill, Keane) but Travis seems to be the best by alot.

[hero]

The 800m will be interesting, sean keane definately has a chance to win it. the potential AND range of this kid is pretty incredible, if he improves his speed and it all comes together he should win it. also the 400m is gonna be a tight one. lots of talent, and with all the strong runners its really hard to make a podium prediction, but if i was to call it now i would say #1- Benjamin A. for obvious reasons, #2 Chris Sutherland because hes really talented and is overdue for a huge performance, and #3 Eli Mara. It's hard to leave people like brendan restall off the top 3, but eli is just such a beast overall i think if he goes for it this year he'll do very well. finally the 4X4: i'd call white rock, semi, and oak bay in that order. semi looks very dangerous this year, but whiterock has 3 runners returning, who will all run much faster barring injury, and most likely cam kroeker replacing carl johnston. they should edge out semi unless lucas ference really steps it up. he needs to carry the load if semi wants to win it. oak bay always has a lot of depth and should have a decent amount of runners to choose from, but i dont think they will have the right runners to match up with whiterock and semi. i'll give the 100,200 to heldman, 1500m to clerke, 3000m to kent.

[pre]

Why does everyone seem to forget about Brendan Restall? He killed Sutherland and Mara last year, and is only going to get better. And you can bet if its close for the 4x4 he will kill the anchor leg.

[blackmambas]

Hey pre I am stil fully on ur side. If u re-read my post it was an attempt at sarcasm. Those times i put on ther do not come close to adding up to 3:20, i was just making fun of the fact that they will never run 3 20. And ronb that must have been a good 4 x 4 team. So let me restate, I DO NOT think semi will be the second best 4x4 team to ever come from bc. and on the other note, i dunno about lucas, he just can never step up in the big races. he never comes through. although brendan and eli they come through like none other. GO OAK BAY AND WRCA YEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. screw the totems they suck oak bays balls. we own u semi, we own u! we r gunna win, especily with brendan anchoring

[prefontaine]

Dude I have to admit Lucas did step up last year with the team he was given and battled all the way through (it was evident in the prelims). But yeah Oak Bay looks sick with Brendan and WRCA should make it a tough fight. But Semi definitely has the potential to be a major contender. All I think is let the results do the talking.

[aintnostoppenme]

HAHAHAA PRE that was sarcasm HAHAHaHA I thought u were just an idiot, u guys can suck each others dicks later right i need to tell you guys that Lucas isn't fastest from the pack!!!!!!!!

[scottkent]

Hey Blackmambas and Pre your predictions on Ahmed over Justin last year are as accurate as the slams you have against the Semi boys. I will stand by my predictions that they will beat 3:20 at some point this season. I agree that doing that after 2 long competition days is a tough order and one of the reasons it has not been done before. (Not with standing the well recorded team that Ron B mentioned that ran on cinder.) As for a few of you thinking Lucas is the strongest runner on Semi's team, that is just not correct. He is stronger and faster than last year and will be capable of a sub 50 but I would not rank him number 1 or 2. Anything can happen during a race and all 4 are strong but this is a completely different group from last year. They will not be trying to race themselves into 51-52 second shape. Dylan Weichel didn't even run on the relay team last year and after a month of training ran 51.6 at the 2009 BC Club Championships. The focus for a couple of the runners will be a shock to some but the 800 will have a few more contenders. A couple of the semi boys will be under 1:55 come the BC High School Championships. (if I don't burn them all out before the big show!) If you have never really competitively trained or competed (in your life) for a full season of track can you get burnt out over 7 months? Really? Lets get past the burn out predictions. Wishful thinking. I can get you their numbers if you like one of them. Just let me know Pre and Blackmambas.

I agree Sean Keane could be very dangerous this year in both the 800 and 1500. I have seen a couple of his workouts and he is a beast! I like your preds Hero it sticks your neck out a little. Justin might also run the 1500m at the BC High School meet. It will depend on how things are shaping up. Other than Connor and Jus I do not know if there will be anyone else capable of running 8:30-8:40. Maybe Christian Gravel. Tim Delcourt, a grade 9er, is training very well and should be mentioned for an outside chance at a medal in the 3K. He might be able to break 9 mins by June.

As for the 400m, I agree that Oak Bay is in tough for a podium position. There are a number of top runners and I think it will be very close. The entire final will be runners under 50 seconds.

The 4x400m will be a blast to watch! I stand by my prediction that the depth of Semi will win out over WRCA, Oak Bay and the Langley team.

[pre]

Feb 2, 2010 12:23:31 GMT -5 scottkent said:

Hey Blackmambas and Pre your predictions on Ahmed over Justin last year are as accurate as the slams you have against the Semi boys.

I don't believe i ever picked Ahmed over Justin in the steeple last year. But you really can't hold that against people as Kent was largely unproven at this point last year.

I'll ask again, is this the exact same Semi team as last year? Because the Oak Bay brings 4 guys back and they beat Semi last year and have massive room for improvement.

And I'll get over the burn out predictions when you get over your sub-3:20 predictions.

[scottkent]

No Pre, this is not the same team from last year. I said that Dylan, who just ran 50.6 in the relay leg at UW, was not on the team last year. For that matter none of them were club runners or committed to a regular training program. They are now and I keep to my prediction. They are not always bang on but come from more info than your guesses do......... "where are these random guys coming from Justin Kent, Travis V? WTF....." Well add Adam Paul-Morris, Alex Strachon, Tyler McMillan and Dylan Weichel to that list. You seem to already know Lucas Ference.

[pre]

Nah I've never heard of this Lucas or any of these guys. They will be a dangerous team no doubt, but I'm also gunna stand by my pre'd.

And when i made that post not alot of people had heard of Kent or Vugataveen in my defense.

[prefontaine]

Just to get this one going, Jake Bruchet is looking fast this year and he has the endurance to back it up. He could make Justin work for that steeple title. With a brother like Luc you know he's got the genetics to put up an interesting show come the provincials

[blackmambas]

ye man. That is a very valid point. When he came over to train on the island for a bit i saw some of the workouts he was doing. Man is he fasttt. He was doing a 400 m work. I think he said 8 of them, they were all like 62-64. I got his autograph after on his rookie card. it was sickkkk
yea and does anyone know, is justin getting money at ubc or is he just running for free?
And i think a wildcard could be a boy named Tim Delcourt. He is a gr. 9 kid from Johnston heights. He came like 26th or something at BC's he has a nice composured stride. He should bust out some nassstttyy times soon. He is an 800m i think. He ran like 2:01 last year i think. He money in the bank
and another wild card it that travis V. even tho he only ran the 800m. but if u take two 1 :53's that is a 3:46 mile. Thats pretty fast. So he could win the 1500 with that sorta time

[prefontaine]

Dude I totally get what your saying except he ran a 1:52 so hes going to probs run a 3:44 mile and Black Mambas we've already established Tim Delcourt in grade ten goes to Brookswood. Also where can I get Jake Bruchet's rookie card? Jake FTW!!!!

[aklives]

Finally glad to see some discussion, and even some bashing on the BC High School thread.

I agree with what you're saying about Jake- That guy was motoring down in San Diego on the track (For a guy who's been playing a lot of b-ball.)

[blackmambas]

Yea. um jake should do pretty good at bcs. Um i dont really know. c im jakes old coach so he got me one. Its one with like the magnet on the back and stuff but anyways.
And dude ur f'd up. Tim delcourt is gr.9 johnston heights. Even kent was saying he gr. 9 im pretty sure. go back a few posts to check. Anyways tho. other then tim and travv (T-Time) for wildcards does anyone else have any?

[canadarunner]

Travis V. only ran 1.53.14 last year, but I believe he ran under 153, 3 maybe 4 times.

[prefontaine]

I have just one prediction. Black Mambas I heard Semi has a really good 4x400m relay team. They ran something like 3:27 at the U W meet, which is really fast for this early in the season. So basically they are going to be the fastest team ever in B.C highschool track and field, with a time of sub 3:20 thats just what I heard. Oh, and Semi is going to rip it up in the 800m "A couple of the semi boys will be under 1:55 come the BC High School Championships." - Scott Kent So yeah those are my early predictions, anyone have anymore?

[aintnostoppenme]

Feb 3, 2010 0:25:22 GMT -5 blackmambas said:

And i think a wildcard could be a boy named Tim Delcourt. He is a gr. 9 kid from Johnston heights. He came like 26th or something at BC's he has a nice composured stride. He should bust out some nassstttyy times soon.

I believe Tim Delcourt is one of Kent's boys, and yea kids running crazy times for gr 10 or 9 , he running with Justin Kent so u know he will be fast. Watch for him!!!

[aintnostoppenme]

and he goes to KP (google him)

[blackmambas]

oo dang really? he must b a good coach then. Scott what kinda workoutts r u putting these boys upta. u must f-ing them pretty hard eh? i member back when i was younger., this one workout was 500m 400m 300m 200m 100m but we did it like a pyrmaid right so that was just one set. the next set(since it was a pyrmaid) was 550m 600m 750m then a full out 800m. My time was like 2:19 which for me was blazig, but aftyer that i just started to hurt all the time,. and like i meen alll the time. it sucked, so i thought coasching would b better for me. so that wnat i do now. Like usain bolt i wish i could coach that. then that would meen i was a good coach, thats my dream

[blackmambas]

no dude, trust me he goes Johnston heights. his older bro josh use to train under me, he went to johnston heights too. and jw why in hell would i google at 15 year old? ur creepy man