Brock Open Results

[greener]

Anyone have results?

[bekele2617]

Ikram show 1,2!

3. Njeru? maybe Shibley?

Interesting course...

[gtown]

Erin Fox won the women's race, followed by two Mac runners.

Laurier won the men's team...first win in about 30 years, we figure, nobody really remembers the last time (or if there was one).

[cda]

ikram, ikram, njeru, shibley, davenport (who cut the course), allan, some toc thug, scheibelhut

[bekele2617]

*NOT only did Davenport cut the course MORE than once during the 6kilometer fiasco, he also false started by at LEAST 0.000006 seconds.

I saw it. The race should have been called back. It was ridiculous.

[edavenport]

WO! Hold on a minute here, I think it's only fair to hear my side of this now deranged tale:

Now, I DID tangent line a certain soccer field in the larger loop where a discretionary curve had been sloppily spray painted...BUT, with the absence of pylons, I believe the 6.5 degree (angle measured from the north side of St. David's Street) tangent I plotted was fair game especially based on how insignificant the gain was AND how many others were following suit.

If this justification fails, just know that I have already eaten a 20-pack of timbits and drank a bottle of iced tea using the 5$ Tim Hortons Gift card...so it will be impossible to reimburse 6th place.

I apologize to all who were affected by my choice in action- but I think the Ikram's may be able to attest to the arbitrarious nature of the course i.e. wrong turns and an elusive finishing line.

Great day had by all though!

[scheibo]

Oct 24, 2009 19:34:55 GMT -5 cda said:

ikram, ikram, njeru, shibley, davenport (who cut the course), allan, some toc thug, scheibelhut

way to bitch about davenports barely noticeable alternative route, how petty. random toc thug was darryl banks. 9 and 10 were random mcmaster thugs.

course had to have been long - winning time for the ikrams of something like 20:27/28 on a 6k course? unrealistic. apparently we went through what was supposed to be the 1300 mark at about 3:58, so someone between then and the finish line something wasn't right.

[disturber]

Oct 24, 2009 22:01:26 GMT -5 scheibo said:

Oct 24, 2009 19:34:55 GMT -5 cda said:

ikram, ikram, njeru, shibley, davenport (who cut the course), allan, some toc thug, scheibelhut

way to bitch about davenports barely noticeable alternative route, how petty. random toc thug was darryl banks. 9 and 10 were random mcmaster thugs.

course had to have been long - winning time for the ikrams of something like 20:27/28 on a 6k course? unrealistic. apparently we went through what was supposed to be the 1300 mark at about 3:58, so someone between then and the finish line something wasn't right.

I don't think that time is that unrealistic based on the fact that the Ikrams have been posting results of similar quality through the year.

[cruicks]

I gotta say cutting corners is a big pet peeve of mine, not just when people do it in running but in life in general. I was hoping to crack the top 10 at this meet, but i just don't see how that's ever going to be possible with guys like Davenport always cutting corners.

[scheibo]

Oct 24, 2009 22:09:06 GMT -5 disturber said:

Oct 24, 2009 22:01:26 GMT -5 scheibo said:

way to bitch about davenports barely noticeable alternative route, how petty. random toc thug was darryl banks. 9 and 10 were random mcmaster thugs.

course had to have been long - winning time for the ikrams of something like 20:27/28 on a 6k course? unrealistic. apparently we went through what was supposed to be the 1300 mark at about 3:58, so someone between then and the finish line something wasn't right.

I don't think that time is that unrealistic based on the fact that the Ikrams have been posting results of similar quality through the year.

of similar quality when they were fasting for ramadan and not peaking?
what you're try to say is that no one that raced yesterday could possibly even to manage to run faster than a 3:25 kilometres for 6km on a flat course?

[kennedy]

I agree with cruicks, course cutting punks like davenport need to be taught a lesson . . . if he had ran the real course I doubt he would have even cracked the top 20 (it was that bad)!!!

[boycey]

In all fairness scheibo, the 1300m mark was out in the open and before we had to go through those really slow trails at the back. My time was a lot slower than i was aiming for too... next week is going to be a disaster at OUA

[scheibo]

Oct 25, 2009 11:55:08 GMT -5 boycey said:

In all fairness scheibo, the 1300m mark was out in the open and before we had to go through those really slow trails at the back. My time was a lot slower than i was aiming for too... next week is going to be a disaster at OUA

the single track is one thing, extra distance another. the trails aren't that slow, as while it was single track the race was thinned out enough by that point that you weren't impeded by anything other than the terrain. And while the footing might not have been amazing, it was still mostly flat (until the single hill in the entire race). Also, if your argument is that the single-track on the trails was what slowed everyones time down dramatically, how does that make sense if that part of the course was only fractions of the entire race (we were running on the gravel and grass sections FAR more than the trails). The course the race was held on yesterday was long, plain and simple. As to whether OUA's will be long or not - I'm not sure, but I'm willing to bet it will be if the runners have to do 4 loops of the 'teal' loop. Either way, it will likely be a mess with the trails and a horrible gravel/grass/trail mix. The course reminded me a bit of brockville where otfas were held in the past.

[tpcs]

Upon viewing the OUA Rules and Regulations
oua.ca.ismmedia.com/ISM2//Rules%20and%20Regulations/Cross-Country.pdf

The course shall be confined, as far as possible, to grasslands, fields and wooded areas. Golf
courses, parks or specially designed race courses are recommended that are suitable for racing in
spiked shoes (i.e. minimal crossing of hard surfaces such as pavement, stones, etc.)

3.6.2 For the safety of the runners, the course should avoid dangerous ascents or descents,
undergrowth, deep ditches and in general any hindrance that may be deemed detrimental to
the contestants.

3.6.3 Whenever possible, the course should be comprised of a major loop 2,500 to 5,000 meters in
distance that can be easily viewed by spectators with the starting area reasonably close to toilet
facilities and the finish are easily accessible to spectators and news media.

3.6.4 Narrow gaps where passing is greatly restricted and sharp turns should be avoided or kept to a
minimum. Particularly, at the start and finish of the course, narrow gaps and sharp turns must be
avoided.

[moorezy]

OUA's is at Brock so deal with it. If you hate the course that much tell your coach to step up and host next year. I think it's good for OUA get some variety instead of being hosted at 1 of 2 places.. Queens or western.

[abrown]

Agreed. Talking to my coach before he said at the meeting no one volunteered to host and Brock took up the challenge. It's going to be a good race no matter what.

[pmac]

Oct 25, 2009 20:47:51 GMT -5 moorezy said:

OUA's is at Brock so deal with it. If you hate the course that much tell your coach to step up and host next year. I think it's good for OUA get some variety instead of being hosted at 1 of 2 places.. Queens or western.

It was noble that Brock stepped up (though frankly I wish they hadn't), but the issue at hand here is that course flies in the face of OUA regulations. I like a variety of food too, but that doesn't mean I'm up for chewing on a piece of bark just to switch things up once in a while. I understand it's your home course, moorezy, but that shouldn't nullify even your own criticism. Let's be honest- it's the worst course in the OUA.

[grimmaceofpain]

There is supposedly a course map out there somewhere. Does anyone know if this is true, and if so, could said person provide a link? Otherwise a description of the course would be lovely.

Worst course in the OUA? It must be awful. Is there a gravel section?

[AndrePaul]

They should make the OUA course go up hydro hill....

[tundra]

They should make the OUA course go up hydro hill.... <AP>

twice!

[stak]

does anyone have a link to the results??!!

[moorezy]

Im with AP. and tundra

forgot it needs to be PMAC certified course sorrrry!

[slamer]

Oct 25, 2009 21:01:54 GMT -5 pmac said:

Let's be honest- it's the worst course in the OUA.

I hate to tell you young guys, but it doesn't even come close (admittedly though, I haven't personally seen it, just descriptions). Many years ago OUA was held at Laurentian. The winner, Ryan MacKenzie was the ONLY man to break 34 minutes. Matt McInnis, in 3rd was 34:10ish (2 weeks later they both broke the old course record on Queens at CIs ... under 30:54).

It was horrible. Middle of the pack of runners was 37 high.

Be glad Laurentian didn't volunteer that course.

[pmac]

Oct 26, 2009 21:14:24 GMT -5 slamer said:

Oct 25, 2009 21:01:54 GMT -5 pmac said:

Let's be honest- it's the worst course in the OUA.

I hate to tell you young guys, but it doesn't even come close (admittedly though, I haven't personally seen it, just descriptions). Many years ago OUA was held at Laurentian. The winner, Ryan MacKenzie was the ONLY man to break 34 minutes. Matt McInnis, in 3rd was 34:10ish (2 weeks later they both broke the old course record on Queens at CIs ... under 30:54).

It was horrible. Middle of the pack of runners was 37 high.

Be glad Laurentian didn't volunteer that course.

Upon further review, my comment was narrow-minded and much too sweeping. However, you've peaked my interest regarding Laurentian. Was that course simply single-track all the way or was it more the difficulty (lots of hills and such) that contributed to the slow times?

[mpd]

Oct 26, 2009 21:38:15 GMT -5 pmac said:

Oct 26, 2009 21:14:24 GMT -5 slamer said:

I hate to tell you young guys, but it doesn't even come close (admittedly though, I haven't personally seen it, just descriptions). Many years ago OUA was held at Laurentian. The winner, Ryan MacKenzie was the ONLY man to break 34 minutes. Matt McInnis, in 3rd was 34:10ish (2 weeks later they both broke the old course record on Queens at CIs ... under 30:54).

It was horrible. Middle of the pack of runners was 37 high.

Be glad Laurentian didn't volunteer that course.

Upon further review, my comment was narrow-minded and much too sweeping. However, you've peaked my interest regarding Laurentian. Was that course simply single-track all the way or was it more the difficulty (lots of hills and such) that contributed to the slow times?

I remember being a young lad and watching my big brother (formally known as Skinny Vinny) and his friends run on that course. I was busy looking for golf balls but I can remember A LOT of rock. I don't recall "flat sections"....

[sdrew]

Oct 26, 2009 21:14:24 GMT -5 slamer said:

Many years ago OUA was held at Laurentian.

The Laurentian course was great. Yes it was tough, and surprisingly warm for late October in Sudbury, but at it was a fair challenge to all.

What became of Blaise Mullins anyway?


Men's course
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Women's course
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Good afternoon everyone,

Attached you’ll find the entry form and maps for the 2009 Brock Open (which will also serve as an OUA Course Preview).

The course distances for the “2009 Brock Open” will be 3500m for the women and 6000m for the men. Athletes will have an opportunity to go over the entire course for both male and female, just not as many loops of certain portions of the course as OUA’s will consist of.

The maps are pretty self explanatory, as for the course, here is what to expect:

Female Course

- Majority of the female course is on grass, with a portion on “packed gravel”.
- There is no trail portion on this course.
- Shoes recommended are racing flats (if dry) or spikes (if wet). You could get away with either.
- The OUA Female Course will simply be another “teal blue” loop (2 in total). Everything else is exactly the same.

Male Course

- The male course is more divided between grass, portions on “packed gravel” and trails.
- The portion of trails for the men has the only hill on the course. It is no longer than 15 meters, but relatively steep. It is located at the northern part of the “teal” trail on the map.
- Shoes recommended are racing flats (if dry) or spikes (if wet). You could get away with either.
- The OUA Male Course will simply be another 2 “teal blue” loops (4 in total). Everything else is exactly the same.

[ronb]

In either 1982 or 1983, CI's were hosted by Laurentian, on the trails around campus. A lot of single track, and some brutal downhills and uphills --- survival of the fittest, indeed.
And then a week later, the Nationals were held on the Golf Course, which seemed to be a better course. And then it got cold, very cold, and snowed about a foot or so overnight, and that lent a new definition to survival of the fittest...Ahhh....November in Sudbury...

[tundra]

What became of Blaise Mullins anyway?<sdrew>

That Hydro Hill that AP and I were speaking of, Blaise ran up and down about 8-9 years ago and broke the course record in a half marathon. Hydro Hill is a bitch and it comes mile 11 of a half marathon trail race. I think he ran 1:15 and change that day. Last I have heard of him in the Niagara area.

[slamer]

Oct 26, 2009 21:55:52 GMT -5 mpd said:

Oct 26, 2009 21:38:15 GMT -5 pmac said:

Upon further review, my comment was narrow-minded and much too sweeping. However, you've peaked my interest regarding Laurentian. Was that course simply single-track all the way or was it more the difficulty (lots of hills and such) that contributed to the slow times?

I remember being a young lad and watching my big brother (formally known as Skinny Vinny) and his friends run on that course. I was busy looking for golf balls but I can remember A LOT of rock. I don't recall "flat sections"....

Flat space I think consisted of maybe 100 metre at the start/finish. The rest was all hills. ALL hills. And the downhills all ended in hairpin turns, so you had to go slow on them. To say it was ridiculous is an understatement. There were a few narrow sections, but not too much.

Don't get me wrong, it wasn't bad in design (fairly scenic), just brutal.

As for Blaise, running wise, I have no idea. I believe though I heard he works for the City of Toronto.

[AndrePaul]

I understand it can not go up hydro, it would be difficult to organize as it would require quite a bit of single track running to get there.

However, that hill...wow! please do not remind me of all those high school hill repeats .