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Post by 40oztofreedom on Oct 11, 2009 20:44:21 GMT -5
Because it had to happen. and because it deserves its own thread. Comparisons, similarities, differences, predictions, prospects and everything else..
I'll start with the obvious;
sfu womens distance looks strong and ubc mens distance looks strong.
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Post by aklives on Oct 12, 2009 1:52:49 GMT -5
How did the meet down in Biola go?
The 10 km down at WWU was relatively a slow course, with not many schools out.
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Post by jordan1234567890 on Oct 14, 2009 12:54:21 GMT -5
For what its worth i think were gonna see a polar opposite domination in track. SFU Womens distance vs UBC mens distance more specifically the 4by800.
Both teams are stacked!
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Post by myadidas on Oct 14, 2009 16:20:39 GMT -5
are you suggesting that the sfu woman/ubc men's 4x8s are comparable? that's fucking fantastic
they should race
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Post by hero on Oct 14, 2009 22:22:43 GMT -5
sfu has pretty good depth all around. sprint,distance, men and women.
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Post by jordan1234567890 on Oct 15, 2009 17:55:26 GMT -5
are you suggesting that the sfu woman/ubc men's 4x8s are comparable? that's fucking fantastic they should race Wow your pretty smart eh ? You probably attend school in a prison.. Oh wait sorry I meant to say sfu. I'm sure you can agree with me in my confusion. although i'm pretty sure SFUs women could beat SFUs guys in a 4by 8 |
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Post by phoenixvic on Oct 17, 2009 0:43:30 GMT -5
UBC alumni, what is wrong with your current crew of runners?
There's no way I am the only one seeing this, you must be reading what they write and shaking your heads.
Have I glorified the past thinking that like 4 or 5 of you used to have some witty shit to say? There were a lot of left's being thrown, good lefts... creative lefts. Now you just got a fleet of monkeys throwing feces.
Did they drop a creative writing/ how to use the internet class from the first year program at ubc?
What the hell happened over there? I feel like I put in my time and should now be able to sit back and enjoy the tradition as a retired vet.
Please fix.
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Post by gnardog on Oct 17, 2009 11:20:14 GMT -5
Do you think it might be possible that El Presidente et al were similarly disappointed with your generation of UBC posters?
With that said you guys were still pretty good. This current crop is absolutely terrible. I wish I knew what happened, I feel your pain (though I'm much more removed).
All the best
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Post by illwill on Oct 17, 2009 16:08:55 GMT -5
I was asked by certain members of the current men’s cross country and track teams to send a email out to the rookies of the team. In fact, I promised someone I would before things got any more out of hand. So I did what I usually do – tell someone I will do something then don’t do it. Before I go any further I need tell to everyone a story, dgant bomba and MrSymonds might be one of the only people to remember this deceased character, his name was Freshman15. Freshman15 constantly frequented TnF and posted on one thread – “UBC/SFU circa 2004”. He loved this thread, making comments virtually everyday. Most of these comments came off as low balled unwitty backlashes to his rivals comments due to his average performances on the xc trails and a lack of a tangible idea of this ‘insane’ rivalry the teammates he adored so much talked about (papaschnopps, motits, shane, MrSymonds etc… you all know who you are). He heard about fights breaking out in parking lots followed closely by lauded adventures without arms bared. Freshman15 wanted to be a part of this and he was looking forward to it. He was young, new to this whole tnfnorth thing, and thought highly of himself and of his team – he thought they were the best team around. One night, after a few pints with the teammates he returned to his bachelor pad on 5th Salish in Totem Park – he’d spent too much time with all his ladies that night and had decided to just go home alone. After not being able to sleep he decided to peruse TnF to ‘just check it out’. This was a mistake and he would soon find this out the hard way. An outsider, how dare them, had posted in HIS thread and not only were these comments about UBC they were also about his friends. (background: UBC ran 8:08 in a 4x8 at Milrose Games to finish a disgusting last place… by a lot). Freshman15 knew this time was really bad, but how dare some outsider come on his thread and talk smack about his teammates – who was this guy? He responded in a manner similar to this man: www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6U_MBkKiRAFreshman15 awoke the next morning with a mild hangover and a vague recollection of a late night TnF post. He went back to check it out and was hurt at the posts that followed his – his teammates instead of baring arms and following his lead instead defended this outsider – how dare they! Freshman15 finally realized that his posts needed several things: they needed time to prepare the correct response, they needed to come from something tangible in his distaste for SFU, and they needed to truly be insulting. After this Freshman15 took time off that summer, trained (a bit) and came back as new man. One year was enough for him to truly hate dgant, prosser, and all those tossers at SFU. By second year he had actually met the girls on the sfu team and could finally post about them without seeming like a creep (even though he knew he was). He still hadn’t met dgants sister but was okay with bringing her into the picture. He was ready for battle, finally. He knew his team and knew his enemies and it was now his time to shine – but he needed a new battlename. Freshman15 was me and I was the worst. But as Freshman15 died in October of 2006 arose a much more confident man to take his place. A man who had a better idea of what to say and when, a man with a true rivalry with his enemies across town, a man who was far better endowed than his predecessor. illwill was ready to fight a new battle. Heed my words young squires, you are all blessed with a gift on the field of battle but must train to rise above your rivals in all aspects competition. You’re all young, fast, dudes (and chicks) and with every encounter between your teams will inspire each other to slander your counterparts on these boards. This goes for both teams, some of this is garbage. In no way am I telling any rookies to stop posting or to go get new nicknames, just stop going off like a virgin on prom night. As life will teach the immature, you need to take the necessary steps – dotting all the ‘i’s’ and crossing the ‘t’s’ – to make sure you have given your audience all that you have give. In saying this here are my thoughts so far (and thoughts on what’s sure to come) 1. UBC will wax SFU at NAIAs with the team as deep as it is – suck it. 2. thehoff – top notch material… you have to have someone else writing this stuff for you because I didn’t (/still kind of don’t) think you have it in you. 3. I’m sick of this 4x4 talk – only muppets run shorter distances than 800 (unless they go to UBC, then it’s okay) 4. Phoenix – not all of us are as blessed or creative as you with the pen(is). It comes with time and practice… 5. Grow some thicker skin boys (and girls?) – below the belt shitty insults are the easiest to come back to with top notch retorts – these top notch insults are the ones that people who have no idea who any of you are still laugh at. (and don't take this far too long post as insulting either, it's unsolicited advise) 6. ronb – don’t post about UVic and CIS (It’s old and tired and nothing is going to change.) 7. that cfmalone guy really needs to quit it – I’m pretty tolerant of the unpopular, but you’re pushing it, even for me 8. listen to what symonds has said – he didn’t speak this way when he was in university (I guess he learned something?) |
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Post by Bomba on Oct 17, 2009 17:54:18 GMT -5
illwill and symonds.....geeezzz......u two are beginning to sound like responsible 'adults'......whatever that means (and for the pups don't confuse fun and having a good time with having to be an 'adult'...those are two different things......it's all about picking and choosing your spots....you'll hopefully be able to keep a childlike view of life mixed in with knowing what your 'real' role in life is)......
..spoken from the mind of the 'eternal child'.....
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Post by feens on Oct 17, 2009 19:12:04 GMT -5
..spoken from the mind of the 'eternal child'..... As you adequately displayed by playing in the mud during workout this morning.  |
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Post by ronb on Oct 17, 2009 19:26:35 GMT -5
illwill ---- great post !
As to your suggestion # 6... I hear you, although if you ARE old and tired, you have to go with what you know. However, I will try and STFU on that topic, and let you younger bucks lead the way to the future, no matter what pace you can lead at... yawn...
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Post by journeyman on Oct 17, 2009 23:48:02 GMT -5
How does UVIC manage to beat both of these teams? A little CIS/Island domination of the NAIA/mainland?
Poke. Poke.
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Post by dgant on Oct 19, 2009 15:14:05 GMT -5
Epic post Will, looks like its word count is right up there with the legendary rants of Mr.Symonds. Just wanted to say I agree 100%. I'll just add that comparing SFU to a prison is also old and tired. Yes, we all realize its rather concrete and gray up there, and yeah the weather can suck more than is usual for the Vancouver area. But then you get a morning such as today, when the view from Bby. Mtn is pretty damn impressive, and you feel as though you're on top of the world.
And UVic having, it would appear, based on Saturdays results, better front runners and more depth than SFU and UBC probably has something to do with their ability to beat said mainland teams. Just a hunch.
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Post by canadarunner on Oct 22, 2009 4:18:26 GMT -5
I think that given the right circumstances UBC would beat Uvic.. I dont think that many people at that meet ran their best so well have to wait till BC's to see a true throw-down. If not then.. Beers?
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Post by pre on Oct 22, 2009 12:10:52 GMT -5
keep in mind bc's are split into junior and senior (which really hurts UBC) so it really would not be a true throwdown
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Post by feens on Oct 22, 2009 14:28:59 GMT -5
That, and with NAIA regionals a week after, I would guess that UBC participation may be limited.
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Post by cliffchilds on Oct 22, 2009 16:40:18 GMT -5
I think that given the right circumstances UBC would beat Uvic.. I dont think that many people at that meet ran their best so well have to wait till BC's to see a true throw-down. If not then.. Beers? You do realise we didn't even run are 2nd best guy who likely would have taken 20 or more points off our score? |
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Post by ronb on Oct 22, 2009 18:29:40 GMT -5
The one and only throwdown to determine the best Canadian University runners and teams for this Fall will take place at Fort Henry, Kingston, Ontario, on November 14th. Oh, did I mention that was in Canada. Ironically enough, the original Fort Henry was built as a military fortress during the War of 1812, which was the battle between the Great Britain and her colonies in North America, and the United States, in which we kicked their asses home...
Both UBC and SFU are members of the CIS, and have joined up in some sports, but not in others. Cross-country and track are among the others, unfortunately for all of us, in my opinion. So it's pointless to give them some sort of virtual ranking in the Canadian scale of things ---- said he, from his old, tired chair.
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Post by feens on Oct 22, 2009 20:55:00 GMT -5
Both UBC and SFU are members of the CIS, and have joined up in some sports, but not in others. Though, soon, that will have changed for SFU at least, with all of their sports moving over to the NCAA. I do, however, find it interesting that a number of CIS teams run a number of their meets in the US anyway. Heck, the only CIS race UVic is running is the championships. They raced UBC and SFU as much as any CIS team. This leaves me with the question: does it really make that much of a difference if UVic/UBC/SFU are in different associations? |
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Post by ronb on Oct 22, 2009 21:45:52 GMT -5
Both UBC and SFU are members of the CIS, and have joined up in some sports, but not in others. Though, soon, that will have changed for SFU at least, with all of their sports moving over to the NCAA. I do, however, find it interesting that a number of CIS teams run a number of their meets in the US anyway. Heck, the only CIS race UVic is running is the championships. They raced UBC and SFU as much as any CIS team. This leaves me with the question: does it really make that much of a difference if UVic/UBC/SFU are in different associations? No, not really much of a difference....They should all be in the same Association... Now, which one?  |
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Post by Bomba on Oct 22, 2009 22:58:21 GMT -5
CIS.....Adams State......CIS........Western State........CIS.......Chico State...........CIS.....Abilene Christian.........who'd u rather line up against......
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Post by ronb on Oct 23, 2009 12:18:26 GMT -5
CIS.....Adams State......CIS........Western State........CIS.......Chico State...........CIS.....Abilene Christian.........who'd u rather line up against...... I am trying to extricate myself from this thread, honestly I am. So this is absolutely my last post - promise... Bomber, buddy, no-one denies there are and have been great runners in the NAIA and all 3 levels (or is there 4) of the NCAA. Just don't go into denial that at various CIS Cross-Country Championships, you may have been head to head with Paul Williams, Peter Butler, Paul McCloy, John Halvorsen, Brendan Matthias, Carey Nelson, Joel Bourgeois, Graham Cocksedge, Eric Gillis, Geoff Kerr, Zeba Crook, Jeff Schiebler, Graeme Fell, Ryan McKenzie, Jerry Ziak, Alex Genest, Darren Klassen, Dave Reid, Jamie Stafford, Steve Boyd, Adrian Shorter, Bob Rice, Richard Charette, John Castellano, Jeremy Deere, Chris Weber, and so on, and so on and so on. And the female equivalents thereof, in terms of top National/International level runners. There are lots of interesting reasons for the Birds and the Clan to go South. But lack of good-enough competition at the University level in November is not one of those reasons. Okay ---- out of here... |
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Post by gnardog on Oct 23, 2009 12:31:13 GMT -5
CIS... Dordt College... CIS... The Master's College... CIS... University of Great Falls... CIS... Indiana Wesleyan University
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Post by illwill on Oct 23, 2009 13:02:35 GMT -5
My Favourite NAIA member institutions (who would ever go to these universities???):
- friends university
- daemen college
- mid-continent university
- life univeristy
- Simon fraser university
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Post by MrSymonds on Oct 23, 2009 13:45:14 GMT -5
Random thoughts,
Cliff - point taken. I am pretty sure Daniel Would have ripped it. Though that would start the 5 year eligibilty debate. I think the race showed that the two programs are pretty equal right now. UVIC has the bragging rights for the year and keeps them until next year. No more of this could of should of would of. I am still a little confused as to why none of the tri guys are running? Are any of them at UVIC. I guess the whole triathletes not runners.... off season... seems pretty week to me. Congrats on your season though Cliff. Good to see another Okanagan boy rippin it up. Do you train in kelowna for the summers or stay in Vic?
Speaking of Okanagan boys here are my two to watch. Connor Clerke. Solid results and seems to be an unpolished product from what I have seen. Wheres he going to go? UBC guys get on that. Joel Johnson. Young triathlete from Vernon who has a great competitive mindset and talent. Watch for him in a few years.
CIS/NAIA
All-Canadian sounds a lot more cool that All-American. It does seem that it takes a lot of CIS athletes a really long time to get through school. I am not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing but the 5 years eligibility, no time limit thing seems to encourage and reward people for taking 7 years to get an undergraduate degree. Though it also does provide a little bit of incentive to continue your education beyond an undergraduate degree. In hindsight I probably would have wanted to race CIS purely because I am on e of though come from a small town patriotic Canadians. But it all depends on what there priorities.
Ron B - I am going to test your resolve to not post on here again. Penticton is the best place in Canada to train for triathlon.
I would love to attend Friends University it sounds like a very social place.
Lastly I went to the UBC practice on Tuesday. These guys are legit. It seems that the level of professionalism has greatly increased since I was there. The business like attitude that the guy brought was awesome. There was a huge group, and with the new track on campus I think that they will have a much better chance at retaining the group through track season. (this was a huge problem in the past with busing to Minoru)
Sam Pawluk - Comeback?
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Post by canadarunner on Oct 23, 2009 18:58:52 GMT -5
The junior mens race at BC clubs next weekend should be a very interesting race; team wise. The UBC boys will be ready, but UVic has the ability to match up well./
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Post by pre on Oct 24, 2009 1:37:28 GMT -5
Are you kidding? UBC's juniors will roll UVic's...bruchet, forseth, smith and kennedy vs who? I can't name one junior on UVic's team
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Post by Bomba on Oct 26, 2009 19:59:39 GMT -5
Ronny u almost prove my argument for me... but before anything is taken out of context allow me to give my full point of view... 1) in no way do i mean to disparage the CIS.... 2) stay out of the NAIA/D 2 situations .....see symonds point...u didn't experience it and u don't seem to get it 3) glory days of the CIS and the 30 yr old Olympic freshman are a long long l time ago...(didn't fell and Williams start out somehere else first?  ? and din't Schiebler leave before he ever got really good???) ....there are and always will be great athletes coming out of the CIS...and the NAIA and NCAA and the English uni system.......and even out of the kenyan army......and I'll even bet some don't even have a system.....my point being u romanticize the CIS in such a way that it' superior to some other system.. ......for some legendary CIS athlete there's an NAIA equivalent.....like some guys named Pat Porter, Rod Milburn, Bill Olson, Mike Boit, etc nevermind a few of the females........all above were world champs/oly medalists or even wld record holders (throw in the throwers and then it gets silly) .....many of these competed a long long time ago.....and IMHO make good stories, but really quite irrelevant to the current athletes competition...egs i recall some guy named Joseph Kibur laying the boots to the best Canadians (including some u have mentioned) at some park in vancouver the week after he got easily beat in the NAIA champs, but what does this have to do with the current NAIA athletes...... 4) With the move of SFU (and I'll assume UBC soon after) to D 2 u cannot tell me that an athlete wouldn't enjoy lining up against the current lineup of adams state My point is that for far too long I've seen this anti american attitudes (some of it totally legit and some pure 'figment of imagination') in regards to the comparisons of the CIS, NAIA, NCAA....... there is good competiton in many place, but right now u cannot tell me that any school in the CIS could lineup against the current ASC crew.......the CIS is a great system that has many great athletes, but it's not the only system...... CIS.....Adams State......CIS........Western State........CIS.......Chico State...........CIS.....Abilene Christian.........who'd u rather line up against...... I am trying to extricate myself from this thread, honestly I am. So this is absolutely my last post - promise... Bomber, buddy, no-one denies there are and have been great runners in the NAIA and all 3 levels (or is there 4) of the NCAA. Just don't go into denial that at various CIS Cross-Country Championships, you may have been head to head with Paul Williams, Peter Butler, Paul McCloy, John Halvorsen, Brendan Matthias, Carey Nelson, Joel Bourgeois, Graham Cocksedge, Eric Gillis, Geoff Kerr, Zeba Crook, Jeff Schiebler, Graeme Fell, Ryan McKenzie, Jerry Ziak, Alex Genest, Darren Klassen, Dave Reid, Jamie Stafford, Steve Boyd, Adrian Shorter, Bob Rice, Richard Charette, John Castellano, Jeremy Deere, Chris Weber, and so on, and so on and so on. And the female equivalents thereof, in terms of top National/International level runners. There are lots of interesting reasons for the Birds and the Clan to go South. But lack of good-enough competition at the University level in November is not one of those reasons. Okay ---- out of here... |
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Post by illwill on Oct 29, 2009 15:04:57 GMT -5
never thought i'd say this... but i kind of miss ronb.
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? and din't Schiebler leave before he ever got really good???)