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Post by wrestlerun on Feb 28, 2010 20:32:09 GMT -5
Wondering if there should be a BMI max for Olympic athletes? Steven Holcomb (US bobsledder) comes to mind.
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Post by jdome on Feb 28, 2010 21:06:49 GMT -5
Obvious answer would be no, because BMI relates only height and weight, not the composition of that weight and is thus a poor indicator of whether someone is "fat" or not.
Even if BMI weren't an overly simplified way of deciding whether someone is "fat", having a max of any kind would be kind of silly, not to mention discriminatory.
However, if they imposed a minimum BMI for distance runners, then all the fast skinny runners would get DQed and then I could have a chance at going to the Olympics... so maybe I like the idea more than I had originally thought...
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Post by spaff on Feb 28, 2010 21:41:27 GMT -5
Wondering if there should be a BMI max for Olympic athletes? Steven Holcomb (US bobsledder) comes to mind. Another McDonald's sponsored athlete? ...seriously though, anyone else have a problem with some of the commercials for McDonald's by Canadian athletes? I understand that sponsorship $'s are hard to come by, but I have a problem with athletes putting their name behind a company that you could never endorse with a clear conscience health-wise. |
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Post by evane on Feb 28, 2010 22:00:23 GMT -5
Wondering if there should be a BMI max for Olympic athletes? Steven Holcomb (US bobsledder) comes to mind. LMAO!!! What a useless thread. |
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Post by ronb on Feb 28, 2010 22:53:08 GMT -5
Wondering if there should be a BMI max for Olympic athletes? Steven Holcomb (US bobsledder) comes to mind. Another McDonald's sponsored athlete? ...seriously though, anyone else have a problem with some of the commercials for McDonald's by Canadian athletes? I understand that sponsorship $'s are hard to come by, but I have a problem with athletes putting their name behind a company that you could never endorse with a clear conscience health-wise. You are kidding, right, Spaff? McDonald's, in moderation, is just fine....I used to work for them, at the same time that I was coaching top-level athletes, and running about 80 K. per week, as a Coach... No problem - I actually don't understand your issue at all, unless it's just some sort of political thing you are working through. Which might be right, as you tried to judge Gretzky as an athlete, based on whether he has hung out with Harper at the Games... With full respect, separate the issues from the politics... |
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Post by oldster on Feb 28, 2010 23:39:22 GMT -5
Another McDonald's sponsored athlete? ...seriously though, anyone else have a problem with some of the commercials for McDonald's by Canadian athletes? I understand that sponsorship $'s are hard to come by, but I have a problem with athletes putting their name behind a company that you could never endorse with a clear conscience health-wise. You are kidding, right, Spaff? McDonald's, in moderation, is just fine....I used to work for them, at the same time that I was coaching top-level athletes, and running about 80 K. per week, as a Coach... No problem - I actually don't understand your issue at all, unless it's just some sort of political thing you are working through. Which might be right, as you tried to judge Gretzky as an athlete, based on whether he has hung out with Harper at the Games... With full respect, separate the issues from the politics... On the contrary, Ron. I find it hard to believe that YOU are not kidding here! Harper and Gretsky aside, how can you seriously suggest that the typical McDonald's fare is fine "in moderation"? (And if the people who typically eat McDonald's food suddenly did so "in moderation" the company would go broke. People tend to eat tons of this crap, or else none at all). There is no place for McDonald's food in the diet of any serious athlete, which is why so few actually touch it. The same goes for Coke. Every time you eat McDonald's food you're foregoing something with far more nutrient value and far less salt, sugar, refined carbs, and bad fats-- which includes almost anything BUT McDonald's food. Winning in sport is a matter of fractions. How can an athlete who is going all-out in every other aspect of his/her life rationalize eating McDonald's food even once a month? The efforts of companies like Coke and McDonald's to associate their products with symbols of health and vitality, such as Olympic athletes, has been a clear contributor to the childhood obesity epidemic. Simply put, it has made it a little more conscionable for parents to feed their kids this crap. After all, there is no disclaimer on the adds stating that the food is "safe when used in moderation" (which it actually isn't really anyway). |
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Post by spaff on Mar 1, 2010 8:33:42 GMT -5
Another McDonald's sponsored athlete? ...seriously though, anyone else have a problem with some of the commercials for McDonald's by Canadian athletes? I understand that sponsorship $'s are hard to come by, but I have a problem with athletes putting their name behind a company that you could never endorse with a clear conscience health-wise. You are kidding, right, Spaff? McDonald's, in moderation, is just fine....I used to work for them, at the same time that I was coaching top-level athletes, and running about 80 K. per week, as a Coach... No problem - I actually don't understand your issue at all, unless it's just some sort of political thing you are working through. Which might be right, as you tried to judge Gretzky as an athlete, based on whether he has hung out with Harper at the Games... With full respect, separate the issues from the politics... McDonald's is evil...starting from Ronald McDonald the clown right up to the food itself. The Harper/Gretzky comment was a joke. Sorry, I shouldn't have gone there. I always remember being told in school not to talk politics...even if your PM is a shmuck  |
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Post by wrestlerun on Mar 1, 2010 10:57:44 GMT -5
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Post by pq on Mar 1, 2010 11:16:34 GMT -5
All things in moderation.... nothing wrong with a bit of Mickey Dee's every now and then. I LOVE their breakfasts. Guilty pleasure.
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Post by nscoach67 on Mar 1, 2010 13:42:51 GMT -5
Slightly off topic, but we were in Vegas for a vacation, and the portion sizes at the restaurants were off the charts. I had a baked potatoe that was the size of a nerf football, and my wife had a steak the size of her head.
She also works in the hospital here and was telling me last week about one of the clinics where the patients were having BMI's over 60.
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Post by oldbones on Mar 1, 2010 14:47:03 GMT -5
Big Mac = over 1040 mg of sodium! And these published stats are acknowledged to be off by about 20 percent from reality.
How can anyone state that this junk in moderation is good for a human ... why not just shovel a bag of salt, sugar and fat straight into the old stomach.
Pure criminality
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Post by limestonemiler on Mar 1, 2010 15:18:40 GMT -5
I'm most troubled by the kid's meals.
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Post by xcrunner96 on Mar 1, 2010 16:12:18 GMT -5
you all need to chill out. if people feel like eating mcdonalds, then let them. one meal of it won't ruin a career and mmmm it tastes great
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Post by cda on Mar 1, 2010 16:19:50 GMT -5
you all need to chill out. if people feel like eating mcdonalds, then let them. one meal of it won't ruin a career and mmmm it tastes great Something tells me you're not a one-meal kind of guy. |
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Post by Smithwicks on Mar 1, 2010 16:23:07 GMT -5
Big Mac = over 1040 mg of sodium! Really? I can't find any report claiming there's more then 1040 mg of sodium in a Big Mac. Even the Canadian Diabetes Association reports less than 1040 mg of sodium. So it could really be 832 mg of sodium if they're known to be about 20% off. That's good to know. Love knee jerk reactions such as the preceding commentary. In this vein one should never eat certain breads, canned foods (tomatoes, legumes), and certain cereals (Rice Krispies) for fear of the big, bad sodium monster. If you dissect everyday foods the levels of sodium and fat can simply be astonishing. Therefore claiming the Big Mac is somehow more evil than simply cooking yourself is a completely absurd comment. The minute you use anything which adds flavor to a dish, essentially butters, oils and salt, your adding to the negatives you claim to be against. Everything in moderation is fine. To think otherwise is simply asinine. |
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Post by rocknroll on Mar 1, 2010 17:07:37 GMT -5
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Post by ronb on Mar 1, 2010 19:10:31 GMT -5
Apparently, I have no knowledge or background or awareness of nutrition, health and human performance.
Given that, I would still believe that having an occasional fast food meal is less of a drain on your health than getting all stressed out about it. And much more healthy than the semi-starvation diets that a lot of elite endurance athletes, particularly young women, subject their bodies to. And if you rant on about childhood obesity, you are totally missing the original point as to whether an occasional hamburger or coke is the deal-breaker.
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Post by rocknroll on Mar 1, 2010 19:22:12 GMT -5
On a slightly unrelated note, but still on the topic of sport nutrition, i forget the exact numbers, but my xc coach this past fall told me about an interesting article he read that said the ideal number of servings of fruits and veggies a day for runners for maximum performance is around 30-35/day. I think this would be really hard to attain and still get all your other essential minerals and nutrients, but im considering trying it to see the effects it has. Anyways, thats my interesting fact of the day.
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Post by wrestlerun on Mar 1, 2010 20:11:21 GMT -5
On a slightly unrelated note, but still on the topic of sport nutrition, i forget the exact numbers, but my xc coach this past fall told me about an interesting article he read that said the ideal number of servings of fruits and veggies a day for runners for maximum performance is around 30-35/day. I think this would be really hard to attain and still get all your other essential minerals and nutrients, but im considering trying it to see the effects it has. Anyways, thats my interesting fact of the day. Beets? |
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Post by jdome on Mar 1, 2010 21:22:14 GMT -5
On the topic of athletes and Micky D's...
Usain Bolt (pretty fast runner) claimed in a TV interview (in the "star in a reasonably priced car" segment on Top Gear, if anyone watches) that before running the 100m race which won him an Olympic medal and a world record that he happened to eat chicken mcnuggets (!!! horrors!!!! #@$@) as his pre-race meal, because he distrusted all the other food in Beijing.
Perhaps Micky D's should consider using the Bolt as their new ad man... just sayin.
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Post by ronb on Mar 1, 2010 21:41:48 GMT -5
On the topic of athletes and Micky D's... Usain Bolt (pretty fast runner) claimed in a TV interview (in the "star in a reasonably priced car" segment on Top Gear, if anyone watches) that before running the 100m race which won him an Olympic medal and a world record that he happened to eat chicken mcnuggets (!!! horrors!!!! #@$@) as his pre-race meal, because he distrusted all the other food in Beijing. Perhaps Micky D's should consider using the Bolt as their new ad man... just sayin. Wow - imagine how fast he would have run with real food in his system! I understand he likes to go out and dance and party also ---- sinner ! Hopefully, none of that Jamaican rum is involved, that would be the final straw (pun). |
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Post by cda on Mar 1, 2010 21:44:47 GMT -5
Given that, I would still believe that having an occasional fast food meal is less of a drain on your health than getting all stressed out about it. Maybe I'm among the minority, but I don't find it all that stressful to avoid eating garbage. |
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Post by ronb on Mar 1, 2010 22:44:07 GMT -5
Given that, I would still believe that having an occasional fast food meal is less of a drain on your health than getting all stressed out about it. Maybe I'm among the minority, but I don't find it all that stressful to avoid eating garbage. Yes I understand that point, of course, but at some point it depends on your definition of garbage. As a for instance, a hamburger pattie includes a lot of high quality protein, heme iron, and B vitamins, that are actually difficult to replicate, especially from non meat sources. And as a former Mc. Manager, I can tell you that we used a local producer and inspected the beef processing facility regularly, and it was good quality stuff... And as far as eating garbage, do you grow all your own food? If not, do you really know how it is grown, fertilized, etc.? Chemical additives for storing, shipping, ripening? I still maintain that the occasional "guilty pleasure" of a fast food burger is not a problem for an active individual. |
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Post by oldster on Mar 2, 2010 12:37:50 GMT -5
With all due respect, I think those of you who are defending the consumption of McDonald's (and other sub-optimal nutritional choices) "in moderation" are missing Spaff's original point. He asked, "does anyone else have a problem with McDonald's using Olympic athletes (who often really need the extra cash, which McDonald's must know) to shill their unwholesome products"? McDonald's KNOWS what it sells is nutritional crap, which is why it loves to associate it with the opposite-- symbols of health and vitality who DID NOT get where they are today by making a habit of eating McDonald's food. If all McDonald's consumers ate the food with the same (in)frequency as top athletes, the place would go broke. Clearly, McDonald's is hoping that we will not consume it's products in moderation; they're hoping that we will all feel better about consuming it in at least the same quantities we have been-- i.e. by being encouraged to think about the Olympics and Olympic athletes as we dine, instead of feeling guilty about eating shit (as in "guilty pleasure"). You people have seen Mad Men, right? Whoever holds McDonald's ad account is very, very sophisticated, and very, very cynical (to say nothing of very, very rich).
Whatever we may think about the nutritional impact of occasionally consuming McDonald's food, I think we can all agree that McDonald's is being highly disingenuous in using the Olympics and Olympic athletes to promote its wares. You have to agree that, without the ads, McDonald's (or Coke) is close to the last thing you would associate with elite sport. This is the evil genius of the whole campaign. Everyone recognized this in connection with the marketing and advertising efforts of cigarette companies (now severely circumscribed), so why is it so hard to see in the case of McDonald's (and the odd cigarette, or inhalation of second hand smoke, is probably not going to kill you either, right? O.K., one is chemically addictive and the other just really tastes good, but I think the parallel is still valid).
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Post by oldster on Mar 2, 2010 12:43:22 GMT -5
P.S. I don't mind someone saying that McDonald's isn't doing anything that other companies aren't also trying to do, as long as they admit that McDonald's is, in fact, being highly disingenuous in this instance. The world is a cynical place, I know, but some instances of cynicism are more flagrant than others.
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Post by cda on Mar 2, 2010 18:23:09 GMT -5
Yes I understand that point, of course, but at some point it depends on your definition of garbage. As a for instance, a hamburger pattie includes a lot of high quality protein, heme iron, and B vitamins, that are actually difficult to replicate, especially from non meat sources. And as a former Mc. Manager, I can tell you that we used a local producer and inspected the beef processing facility regularly, and it was good quality stuff... And as far as eating garbage, do you grow all your own food? If not, do you really know how it is grown, fertilized, etc.? Chemical additives for storing, shipping, ripening? I still maintain that the occasional "guilty pleasure" of a fast food burger is not a problem for an active individual. Not to mention the following: Big Mac® Bun: Enriched flour (bleached wheat flour, malted barley flour, niacin, reduced iron, thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid, enzymes), water, high fructose corn syrup, sugar, soybean oil and/or partially hydrogenated soybean oil, contains 2% or less of the following: salt, calcium sulfate, calcium carbonate, wheat gluten, ammonium sulfate, ammonium chloride, dough conditioners (sodium stearoyl lactylate, datem, ascorbic acid, azodicarbonamide, mono- and diglycerides, ethoxylated monoglycerides, monocalcium phosphate, enzymes, guar gum, calcium peroxide, soy flour), calcium propionate and sodium propionate (preservatives), soy lecithin, sesame seed. That's the bun. And yes, I'm part of the 99% of the Canadian population that doesn't know where their food comes from. But I'll take my chances at the grocery store. |
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Post by oldbones on Mar 2, 2010 21:44:47 GMT -5
Don't forget the fries ! ....
Super Size me was a great documentary.
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Post by kid on Mar 3, 2010 10:12:17 GMT -5
Personally I don't have a problem. It's a great marketing campaign, and is actually quite intelligent. And while I understand the point oldster is trying to make, the fact remains that McDonald's puts a good deal of money towards are athletes, and actually give a lot back to their communities (sponsorship of youth teams, as well as initiatives such as Ronald McDonald House etc.)
And I was wondering when someone would bring up Bolt. Clearly if the fastest man ever can eat it once and a while, the average runner won't die eating it every now and again (moderation). Afterall, if the furnace is hot enough, anything will burn, even Big Macs.
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Post by spaff on Mar 3, 2010 11:00:27 GMT -5
It's a great marketing campaign if you are trying to misrepresent your product, offer false claims and try to trick the general public into thinking that it's ok to consume these 'food like products' as a part of your diet and potentially get you to the Olympics.
Ads for smoking aren't allowed, you can't show someone drinking a beer in an ad, I fail to see how it's ok to show an Olympic athlete eating this stuff.
If McDonalds simply had a blanket ad saying that they support our Olympic athletes financially, I wouldn't be thrilled with it, but I would find it less offensive and would respect them a little more.
Yup...supersize the bullshit, then put it between a bun.
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Post by oldbones on Mar 3, 2010 11:10:33 GMT -5
Personally I don't have a problem. It's a great marketing campaign, and is actually quite intelligent. And while I understand the point oldster is trying to make, the fact remains that McDonald's puts a good deal of money towards are athletes, and actually give a lot back to their communities (sponsorship of youth teams, as well as initiatives such as Ronald McDonald House etc.) And I was wondering when someone would bring up Bolt. Clearly if the fastest man ever can eat it once and a while, the average runner won't die eating it every now and again (moderation). Afterall, if the furnace is hot enough, anything will burn, even Big Macs. I bet that the health crisis that is caused by eating McD's (Burger King .... any fast food, processed food) far outweighs in monetary terms any sum that McD's "gives" back to the community (this giving back is just marketing in disguise). Humans are unique in their inability to do anything in moderation ... McD's knows us better than we know ourselves starting from the indoctrination of our youth. They are no different than drug dealers ... the drugs of choice are sugar, salt and fat in criminal proportions ... these are known substances that humans are easily addicted to after a few meals ... errr what you call "moderation". Remember that hamburgers contain a significant proportion of fecal matter excreted from the slaughtered beast as it knows its time has come. Yummy! |
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