pmac
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Post by pmac on Mar 6, 2010 18:34:43 GMT -5
Good thing he wasn't able to play. Would have been much less exciting is my guess! Without a doubt. |
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Post by slamer on Mar 7, 2010 0:25:38 GMT -5
I may not be the most knowledgeable hockey guy, Agreed. So what's with the personal approach? You haven't said anything, in the way of proof, to refute what I've said. He scored most of his goals from his 'office'....and largely because of Orr. He broke some amazing records that stood for a long time, however he could not be considered one of the greatest players of all time. The reason he won the Hart was because without a doubt because of Orr. So if it was so clearly Orr that made him so great. Why did Orr get the Hart?? You guys fancy yourself experts, but if people at that time (who not only saw them regularly and almost certainly knew way more than any of you guys) thought Espesito was more important than Orr. What can you guys add that changes this??? SI, spaff -- I'm calling you out on this one. |
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Post by SI on Mar 7, 2010 10:27:50 GMT -5
So what's with the personal approach? You said it, I didn't. One season does not a career make particularly when there were still some lingering effects of one of the many butcher jobs done on his knee the year before. |
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Post by trackgal on Mar 23, 2010 1:25:31 GMT -5
You have to look at the competition. Hockey players come from 6 - 8 countries and in only 1 of the countries is it the sport where a lot of the top athletes go. Basketball has a few more countries and a little more population to choose from. All the winter sports only apply to colder countries - mostly in the North.
Track and field has national championships in most countries of the world. Other than soccer, it is one of the most widely participated in sports. Short running races are held in schools and in parks in probably 200 countries (are there that many?) in the world. Endurance races are also contested in most countries of the world.
In my opinion, Donovan Bailey's accomplishment in 1996 (WR and Olympic gold) or Kevin Sullivan's 1500m in Australia in 2000 are up near the peak of athletic endeavors. These are the most commonly run and contested endurance race and sprint race there is.
Sullivan's accomplishment should not be overlooked.
1 N Kiprono Ngenyi (Ken) 3mins 32.07secs
2 H El Guerrouj (Mar) 3:32.32
3 B Kipchirchir Lagat (Ken) 3:32.44
4 M Baala (Fra) 3:34.14
5 K Sullivan (Can) 3:35.50
No one from North America, Asia or South America beat him. Over 2.3 billion people in India and China couldn't beat him. 1 European and 3 Africans beat him - countries where distance running is like a religion. And after CBC commended the trampoline gold medalist from Canada, they then cut to the track where Scott Oak asked Kevin Sullivan, "What happened?"
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