AGSI National Cross Country Results

[wrestlerun]

Shouldn't this guy have run in junior instead of senior:
47 32:28.3 3:15 544 BOYD, STEVE PHYSI-KULT KINGSTON 93

Most of the 1993 guys ran in the Junior Race...

[pmac]

Nov 29, 2009 15:33:00 GMT -5 wrestlerun said:

Shouldn't this guy have run in junior instead of senior:
47 32:28.3 3:15 544 BOYD, STEVE PHYSI-KULT KINGSTON 93*

*1893

Hence the name "Oldster".

[oldster]

Dag Nabbit, I entered the wrong century (and felt at least 116 years old out there too.)!

[lukesteer93]

daryl smith had a huge run, actually a place better than his ofsaa finish. heard kuternin was scary in the last 5 km, props for a strategically well run race.

denault also impressed today, 19th and the first 93, not a bad way to end a season. also scary considering he has 3 years of eligibility left? (i believe)

[Eldridge]

3 to compete, 2 to qualify

[journeyman]

Nov 29, 2009 15:26:13 GMT -5 emantsal said:

Looking forward to WXC, Bairu said on his Twitter that he's going for a top ten finish there.

Nice. Will be interesting to see how Kendra Schaff does. She had two huge runs in one week.

[oldster]

13 31:02.0 3:07 295 NAGLE, CHRIS

Looking a little further back, isn't this a pretty huge run for this guy? Nicely done!

[pg]

This board should have a Saskatchewan high school thread. The score among the 4 races is sask high school grads 2 ofsaa 1. Message to ofsaa people in case you don't get it- we don't care about your little regional meet. Start talking when when you win or place in the national meet. With your population you should have 10 Bairu's.

[westside4life]

Sorry Pg,

While your blowing your own horn you seem to have missed the fact that Ontario has housed a number of great distance runners not to mention owners of many National Records. One guy that comes to mind is Kevin Sullivan and others, Graham Hood, Dave Reid, Steve Boyd, Bruce Kidd, Jerome Drayton, Jason Bunston, Alain Boucher...need I list more or do you get the picture. Your jumping ahead of yourself simply buy looking at this years results, how about you take a look at the past before you come to your comical claims. OFSAA has historically produced some of the "cream of the crop" so to say of Canadian Distance running and you need to come to terms with that. Making special mention to probably one of the best OFSAA records and National age group records by one Alain Boucher in the 2000m steeplechase of 5:37.

[gnardog]

westside4life, Pg is making the valid point that the talk to walk ratios between Sask and ON are way out of whack. However I don't think it's fair to say ON ought to have X Bairu's, this is opening a whole new can of works.

[pg]

I am actually a great fan of the Ontario system in many ways. I like the fact that in many schools running track or cross country matters. Many very large schols in the rest of the country have no programs. Any athletes that compete in school meets are basically independents accompanied by a token "coach."They are club products not school products. Ontario, because the sport is higher up the pecking order in schools also gets a better chance of recruiting the top athletes. Just by pure numbers ontario should be doing so much better. westside, while we are talking about individual athletes, Carey Nelson and Lynn Williams (Kanuka) both stated the sport and ran through high school in Saskatchewan.

[Steve Weiler]

Nov 29, 2009 22:31:01 GMT -5 oldster said:

13 31:02.0 3:07 295 NAGLE, CHRIS

Looking a little further back, isn't this a pretty huge run for this guy? Nicely done!

He's had glimpses of being capable of running much better then his PB's. He had a great, consistent stretch and capped it off with a heroic effort. It's very motivating for the other London Runner seniors.

[robkitz]

Yes, great run by Nagle. The kind of run that should motivate more people to stick with running post-university. A couple of years ago, that run would have gotten Nagle to Worlds. (Not any more, of course)

I'm also impressed by the CIS guys. 3-4 for Brunsting and Wiebe really shows how strong the CIS is right now. When Mauricio was 4th at Nationals a few years ago, he was obliterating the field at CIs; now we have a pack of university guys running at that level.

And now, the big question: will 4 of the top 6 want to run worlds?
Sounds like Bairu is in. So: Gillis, Brunsting, Wiebe, Genest, Wykes. Anyone have info?

[Young Pratticus]

When is FISU in relation to NACAC/Training Camp/Worlds. That might be a problem for Brunsting and Wiebe.

[blahblahblah]

In Brunsting's post-race interview on flo-track, he says that he's likely not going to be running World's in order to focus on FISU and academics. Not sure about Wiebe or the others.

[alias]

Nov 29, 2009 22:53:43 GMT -5 pg said:

This board should have a Saskatchewan high school thread. The score among the 4 races is sask high school grads 2 ofsaa 1. Message to ofsaa people in case you don't get it- we don't care about your little regional meet. Start talking when when you win or place in the national meet. With your population you should have 10 Bairu's.

How about instead of a) attacking Ontario for getting excited about (and promoting) their meets, you b) start developing threads of your own regarding something you find significant. Ontario people don't know anything about Saskatchewan other than a) they have two of Canada's best distance runners and b) they can't count past 12 (Grey Cup).
So, let Ontario promote their guys, and you do the same out West. I'd love to know more about your up and comers.

[mlfs11]

I think Kelly Wiebe is a go for world's.

[gaelic]

Some outstanding races from the OFSAA boys in the junior men's race. Quite a few surprises and rebounds from OFSAA (the definite notables being Daryl Smith and Thomas DeVries).

[pg]

First of all I am not from Saskatchewan. I also think of Boucher as a commonwealth team member in the steeple and a multiple time team member in world cross(sr) before anything he did in ofsaa. I may be corrected but didn't Rob Evans from Alberta do a 5.32 as a junior?

[pg]

The listed junior record from alberta is 5.36 by Steve Conwell from Calgary. He did this at the first ever world junior championship in Athens. Like Bairu, Steve never won Ofsaa either.

[oldster]

Wykes will not go to WXC.

And the CAN Jr. record for 2k Steeple is by Steve Conwell at 5:36-- slightly faster and Alain's OFSAA record. But, Alain soloed his at OFSAA and Conwell ran his at World Juniors, I believe. Interestingly, the closest anyone has come to Alain's record was 5:38, run by Bob Rice a year or two later. Of course, these guys could both run mid-8:teens for 3k, and it's been a while since we had more than a couple of high school guys that fast who also ran steeple.

[ronb]

Of the National Senior Record Holders, Olympic distances (I added in the W. 3000, as that was the Olympic distance up until 1996, and we had so many great women at that distance),
I think the following graduated in Ontario - Kevin Sullivan, Jerome Drayton, Courtney Babcock, Sylvia Ruegger and Carol Henry. Did all run OFSAA?
Our other record holders are Gary Reed, Jeff Schiebler, Graeme Fell, Diane Cummins, Lynn Williams, and Angela Chalmers - who I think graduated in B.C., B.C., Scotland, South Africa, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba. Almost all of our record holders were based in either the U.S.A. or B.C., when they achieved their ultimate performances, our Marathon record holders being the exception.

[gtown]

Just had a look at the provincial/regional team results: www.guelphrunning.ca/news.php?id=296

Quick question: Why were Vollmer and Lambert included in the Prairie team? Thought they were representing Alberta, both being on Edmonton Thunder club team.

[Arnald]

I can't answer your question gtown since I don't really know how the whole Provincial / Regional team competition works.

I think the bigger question is what is the point of this Provincial / Regional team competition? The whole thing seems a little silly to me. But maybe there is a bigger point I'm missing here that someone can explain.

Are the Regional and Provincial competitions separate from each other? Doesn't seem to make sense to have an Alberta team, Sask team, Prairie team all competing in what seems to be some kind of make shift team competition.

Can anyone provide a little insight into the value of these Regional / Provincial team competitions?

[lambert]

I've never really understood the purpose of the Regional competition, but...

From what I understand, the reason there is a prairie team is because there aren't usually enough people from Saskatchewan alone to make a team. The same goes for the Atlantic region.

So, when the Alberta team has picked their top 6 runners, they donate their next best runners to the prairie team. That means Mark and I were put on the Prairie team because we weren't good enough to make the Alberta team.

Apparently Ontario never has a team because they don't want to be forced to declare the team the night before. If they actually entered a team, they'd probably win most categories.

I don't recall seeing any Manitoba teams either.

[someguy]

There was an Athletics Manitoba Team.

42 32:18.2 3:14 841 BOOTH, MIKE WINNIPEG OPTIMIST AT 80
48 32:29.0 3:15 106 CARR, PAUL BISON TRACK AND FIEL 86
57 32:53.1 3:18 107 DEJONG, CALVARY BISON TRACK AND FIEL 86
64 33:02.5 3:19 110 TRANQUADA, ERIC BISON TRACK AND FIEL 84

Team Score = 211

This is the first year in a long time that Manitoba has had enough runners to field a team at Senior XC. Hopefully in the next few years we can see some improvement and climb the ladder in the provincial team competition.

[STIkS]

I believe that John Gill ran 5:44 the year after Bob Rice's 5:40 and only a few guys have been sub 5:50 since. That same year (1986) Gill was out-leaned by another darn good XC runner, Richard Charette, when he set the John Rowland Games record of 8:16.60.

If I do recall they flew Simon Bairu in to race Nate Brennan for that very same 3000m invitational in 2000? I think Nate won in low 8:20s ?

[ctrotter21]

Nov 30, 2009 11:13:17 GMT -5 alias said:

Nov 29, 2009 22:53:43 GMT -5 pg said:

and b) they can't count past 12 (Grey Cup).

ZING!

[heintz]

In response to the "purpose" of the Regional competition,I always considered it something as a mode to "count" non--elite athletes not on teams in some cases.It probably should be done away with.
Also,,w/out Gillis,Wykes< Reed et al a Senior Mens team is probably doubtful but Simon is going
Stiks--Simon and I went to 2 Rowland Games 3000 races.Nathan went 8;21 to Simon 8;26 and Simon's last year he held off a surging Kurt Benninger in a windy 8;30 or so.Each 3000 had 6 World Jr. XC members.

[nscoach67]

I have some interesting stats from the Junior Women's race (because I coached people in that race), I may do the same for the other races, but it took some time.

I did not include 2007, because the course was different

There were 73 people who competed in 2008 and 2009.
6 of them were slower in 2009
67 of them obviously improved in 2009

The average improvement was 64.3 seconds.
The smallest improvement was 5.2 seconds.
The largest improvement was 3:02.

Some assumptions as for the reasons.
1. Conditions
2. Gain in relative strength from one year to the next. (and the ability to handle more volume/intensity)

Anybody have additional thoughts, and perhaps the relative percentages of the above factors that affected the performance.