1983 and 1984 Marathon Rankings

[SI]

From another thread:

[quote author=kitest board=general thread=5201 post=67834
time=1257199924]SI-now you gotta post those 1983 & 1984 provincial and
national mary lists. [/quote]

1983 to come-these are 1984. I have to type into an excel file, scan it as a jpeg file and then upload
to tinypic unless someone knows how to post an excel file and make the columns look right.

Deleted file-see schester's post below.



tinypic.com/r/2isfwav/6


Couple of comments:
1. Don't think Steacy's YOB is right but Moore's certainly is.
2. Maybe ronb can tell us why Howard would have run the trials one week after running another one-he
must have thought he had no hope of being in the top 3?
3. Englehutt was taking a serious shot at making the Olympic team that year but came up one spot short.

[HHH]

Nov 26, 2009 15:47:57 GMT -5 SI said:

1983 to come-these are 1984. I have to type into an excel file, scan it as a jpeg file and then upload to tinypic unless
someone knows how to post an excel file and make the columns look right.

If you want, e-mail it to me and I'll upload to my website and we can just link there? I was never able to figure out how to post tables here either.

[SI]

Will do-thanks. I see I made at least one mistake typing it in. Cook's time should be 2:21:37.

[schester]

Rank	Name	YOB?	Province	Time	Location	Date
1	David Edge	54	Ontario	2:13:20	Ottawa	May-13
2	Alain Bordeleau	56	Quebec	2:14:19	Ottawa	May-13
3	Art Boileau	57	BC	2:14:37	Ottawa	May-13
4	Robert Englehutt	55	Nova Scotia	2:16:51	Ottawa	May-13
5	Mike Dyon	55	Ontario	2:16:58	Houston	Jan-15
6	Muya Wachira	51	Ontario	2:17:05	Houston	Jan-15
7				2:18:42	Ottawa	May-13
8	Tom Howard	48	BC	2:17:07	Vancouver	May-06
9				2:18:18	Ottawa	May-13
10	Roger Cawkwell	60	Ontario	2:17:09	Toronto	Sep-30
11	Jeff Martin	58	Ontario	2:17:40	Ottawa	May-13
12	Paul Bannon	54	Ontario	2:18:52	Ottawa	May-13
13	Rheal Desjardins	60	Quebec	2:19:26	Ottawa	May-13
14	Rick Mannen	57	Ontario	2:19:40	Niagara Falls	Oct-13
15	Steve Pomeroy	58	BC	2:19:48	Ottawa	May-13
16	Jerry Tighe	45	BC	2:20:22	Vancouver	May-06
17	Bruce Mckay	59	Manitoba	2:20:23	Dallas	Dec-02
18	Roger Schwegal		Manitoba	2:20:33	Montreal	Sep-23
19	Richard Hughson	49	Ontario	2:21:20	Ottawa	May-13
20	Patrick Montuoro	49	Quebec	2:21:20	Nice	Mar-18
21	Robert Cook	56	Manitoba	2:21:37	Dallas	Dec-02
22	Jocelyn Parent		Quebec	2:21:50	Montreal	Sep-23
23	Greg Gemmell		Manitoba	2:21:59	Houston	Jan-15
24	Lindsay Eltis		Ontario	2:22:10	Richmond	Oct-21
25	Gary Hutchinson	58	Ontario	2:22:53	Ottawa	May-13
26	Andrew Jones	61	Ontario	2:23:24	Ottawa	May-13
27	Lyle Kuchmak	57	Alberta	2:23:47	Toronto	Sep-30
28	Norman Drolet		Quebec	2:23:53	Montreal	Sep-23
29	Peter Quance	55	Ontario	2:24:00	Ottawa	May-13
30	Bob Slipp	50	Ontario	2:24:14	Ottawa	May-13
31	Doug Pattyson	52	Ontario	2:24:27	Ottawa	May-13
32	Larry McCloskey	55	Ontario	2:24:28	Ottawa	May-13
33	Marc Corcoran		Quebec	2:24:35	Ottawa	May-13
34	Mike Deguida	54	Ontario	2:24:39	Ottawa	May-13
35	Martin Dixon	57	Ontario	2:25:08	Niagara Falls	Oct-13
36	Paul Tinari	57	Ontario	2:25:13	Toronto	Sep-30
37	Graeme Major	55	Ontario	2:25:43	Ottawa	May-13
38	Frank Lewis	48	Alberta	2:26:11	Ottawa	May-13
39	Gene Steacy	38	Ontario	2:26:13	Toronto	Sep-30
40	Bob Moore	40	Ontario	2:26:45	Toronto	Sep-30
41	Adrian Wellington		Alberta	2:26:47	Richmond	Oct-21
42	Leopold Tomaswicz	50	Quebec	2:27:04	Montreal	Sep-23
43	Joel Teichman		Quebec	2:27:24	Washington	Nov-04
44	David Surman		BC	2:27:35	Toronto	Sep-30
45	Luc Marchand		Quebec	2:27:35	Ottawa	May-13
46	Roy Davis		BC	2:27:41	Kamloops	Oct-07
47	Peter Conway		BC	2:28:11	Victoria	Sep-15
48	John Bolger		Alberta	2:28:15	Calgary
49	Larry Brown		Ontario	2:29:14	Toronto	Sep-30
50	Dan McDonald		Alberta	2:29:16	Richmond	Oct-21
51	Audet		Quebec	2:29:27	Montreal	Sep-23
52	Kim Maser		BC	2:29:39	Kamloops	Oct-07
53	Les Turner		Ontario	2:29:53	Toronto	Sep-30
54	Ken Bell		Alberta	2:30:07	Richmond	Oct-21

[SI]

How did you do that? The third last entry should be fixed in your file(Audet in twice)
and the 21st time should be 2:21:37.

[ronb]

Nice job, guys !
Wow, a lot of those names bring back memories.
Unfortunately, SI, I can't recall why Tom Howard ran Vancouver and then Ottawa a week later. I think he was working with both Jack Taunton and Doug Clement at that time, so perhaps they could shed some light on that issue. Regardless of the rationale, that is still quite a feat, running a 2:18 with 6 days recovery from a 2:17.

[HHH]

Martin's 1984 ranking excel spreadsheet now posted here:

runningsolutions.shawwebspace.ca/profile/

Let me know if there are any issues.

Matt

[spaff]

Nov 26, 2009 15:47:57 GMT -5 SI said:

:
Don't think Steacy's YOB is right but Moore's certainly is.
.

Gene was born in 1956 or 57.

[journeyman]

You guys will like this.

www.slate.com/id/2149867/

[SI]

More of the same:

"My shirt that day read, “Slow Is the New Fast.”"

www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/health/03well.html

"Last year, 44 percent of the field for that event finished in more than six hours — with some marathoners stopping for lunch along the course."

www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/sports/23marathon.html?_r=1&hp

[Rory]

1983?

[SI]

Still working on. Down to 31. I also dug up 1985 which aren't as deep and will put those up too.

[spartan]

SI, any chance you have the marathon ranking list available from 1982. I believe this showed a very good group of guy below 2:15.

[SI]

I would have it but it is very inaccessible. I know someone who may have it more readily available.

[SI]

Dec 1, 2009 16:15:58 GMT -5 spartan said:

I believe this showed a very good group of guys below 2:15.

I have some data. Top three were fairly comparable to 83 and the depth was about the same. Will post eventually.

[ronb]

Nice work, SI. We appreciate your passion in this area...

[SI]

Nov 26, 2009 20:14:18 GMT -5 ronb said:

Unfortunately, SI, I can't recall why Tom Howard ran Vancouver and then Ottawa a week later. I think he was working with both Jack Taunton and Doug Clement at that time, so perhaps they could shed some light on that issue. Regardless of the rationale, that is still quite a feat, running a 2:18 with 6 days recovery from a 2:17.

Ron-is it possible he was a resident of Ontario in 1983? That is what the rankings I am working with say. Are they in error? There are a few other errors. They have the Montreal marathon in at October 20th which makes no sense because that was a Thursday. It was actually September 25. I am getting that from here:

www.arrs.net/

It is a great site for statistics and other information.

[SI]

Here is 83-will get into better format later and will provide some comments.


tinypic.com/r/6h87x1/6

[SI]

Better format:

1	David Edge	54	Ontario	2:11:03	Boston	April 18	1983
	David Edge	54	Ontario	2:14:26	Sydney	June 12	1983
	David Edge	54	Ontario	2:15:43	Helsinki	August 14	1983
2	Art Boileau	57	BC	2:11:30	Helsinki	August 14	1983
	Art Boileau	57	BC	2:16:21	Winnipeg	May 29	1983
3	David Northey		Ontario	2:15:59	Huntsville	December 10	1983
4	Alain Bordeleau	56	Quebec	2:16:36	Montreal	September 25	1983
5	John Bolger	56	Alberta	2:17:28	Winnipeg	May 29	1983
	John Bolger	56	Alberta	2:18:42	Toronto	October 2	1983
6	Paul Bannon	54	Ontario	2:17:57	Vancouver	May 1	1983
7	Steve Pomeroy	58	BC	2:19:50	Oregon	September 11	1983
8	Daniel Begin	57	Quebec	2:21:10	Montreal	September 25	1983
9	Al Baigent	56	Ontario	2:21:23	Toronto	October 2	1983
10	Mike Dyon	55	Ontario	2:21:38	Ottawa	May 15	1983
11	Mark Rendell	55	Ontario	2:21:54	Ottawa	May 15	1983
12	Bernard Voyer	55	Quebec	2:22:16	Ottawa	May 15	1983
13	Patrick Montuoro	47	Quebec	2:22:24	Winnipeg	May 29	1983
14	Kevin Cormier	51	Ontario	2:22:49	Ottawa	May 15	1983
15	Robert Englehutt	58	Nova Scotia	2:22:50	Philadelphia	November 27	1983
16	Tim Norman	59	Quebec	2:23:20	Montreal	September 25	1983
17	Jerry Tighe	45	BC	2:23:24	Seaside	February 26	1983
18	Roger Schwegel		Manitoba	2:23:35	Winnipeg	May 29	1983
19	Frank Lewis	48	Alberta	2:23:37	Calgary	August 1	1983
20	Eddie Raposo	57	Toronto	2:23:44	Toronto	October 2	1983
21	John Weston		BC	2:24:05	Boston	April 18	1983
22	Peter Quance	55	Ontario	2:24:05	Winnipeg	May 29	1983
23	Jocelyn Parent		Quebec	2:24:19	Ottawa	May 15	1983
24	Normand Drolet		Quebec	2:24:50	Montreal	September 25	1983
25	Bob Walker	49	Manitoba	2:24:57	Winnipeg	May 29	1983
26	Doug Pattyson	52	Ontario	2:25:00	Winnipeg	May 29	1983
27	Gary Hutchinson	58	Ontario	2:25:04	Ottawa	May 15	1983
28	Tom Mitchell		BC	2:25:10	Vancouver	May 1	1983
29	Bruce Soulsby		Manitoba	2:25:17	Winnipeg	May 29	1983
30	Brad Corden		BC	2:25:29	Vancouver	May 1	1983
31	Greg Gemmel		BC	2:25:29	Winnipeg	May 29	1983
32	Mark Orzel	62	Ontario	2:25:35	Vancouver	May 1	1983
33	Martin Dixon	57	Ontario	2:25:41	New York	October 23	1983
34	Andrew Jones	61	Ontario	2:25:26	Sudbury	July 3	1983
35	Bud Willis		Ontario	2:26:00	Ottawa	May 15	1983
36	Bill Corcoran	61	Alberta	2:26:01	Winnipeg	May 29	1983
37	Bob Moore	40	Ontario	2:26:30	Winnipeg	May 29	1983
38	Ron Melnichuk		Manitoba	2:26:39	Winnipeg	May 29	1983
39	Leopold Tomaswicz	50	Quebec	2:26:40	Montreal	September 25	1983
40	Ralph Williams	52	Nova Scotia	2:26:53	Halifax	October 9	1983
41	Robert Russell	51	Nova Scotia	2:26:58	New York	October 23	1983
42	Bob Slipp		Ontario	2:27:10	Toronto	October 2	1983
43	Guy Lepine		Quebec	2:27:29	Montreal	September 25	1983
44	Carlo Tucci		Quebec	2:27:38	Montreal	September 25	1983
45	Rob Reid		Alberta	2:27:51	Toronto	October 2	1983
46	Rory Lambert		Alberta	2:27:52	Edmonton	July 9	1983
47	Terry Fehr			2:27:55	Winnipeg	May 29	1983
48	Gene Steacy		Ontario	2:28:12	Montreal	September 25	1983
49	Doug Godfrey		Alberta	2:28:17	Calgary	May 29	1983
50	David McGivern		BC	2:28:24	Winnipeg	May 29	1983
51	Christian Pellerin		Quebec	2:28:25	Montreal	September 25	1983
52	Wayne Yetman		Ontario	2:28:28	Winnipeg	May 29	1983
53	Dorys Langois		Quebec	2:28:51	Montreal	September 25	1983
54	Dave Stewart		Ontario	2:28:56	Ottawa	May 15	1983
55	Tom Howard	48	Ontario	2:29:01	Montreal	September 25	1983
56	Lindsay Eltis		Ontario	2:29:15	Toronto	October 2	1983
57	Dominique Gagnon		Quebec	2:29:23	Montreal	September 25	1983
58	Doug Scorrar		Ontario	2:29:38	Montreal	September 25	1983

[/tr][/table]

[HHH]

Dec 6, 2009 13:14:25 GMT -5 SI said:

Here is 83-will get into better format later and will provide some comments.


tinypic.com/r/6h87x1/6

Posted here again if you prefer excel or want to download them yourself:

runningsolutions.shawwebspace.ca/profile/

Matt

[kmaser]

Thanks for the marathon rankings from 84. It was good to see the postings there. There was a lot of depth at that time.
A lot of good runners and really competitive fields.

Cheers

[marathondude]

The marathon depth back in the early 1980s was incredible. I ran the 1983 Boston Marathon in 2:30:xx and did not finish in the top 300!!!