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Post by bekele2617 on Nov 9, 2009 1:56:36 GMT -5
CMoses continues to dominate predictions on this board!
-The idea of this thread is rather childish...
-Tristan ran a good race, nothing phenomenal, but I suppose now with the rumours of his easy run training regiment...that this is understandable.
-It was quite possible for him to have placed third- I think Daryl and Andrew both turned extremely BAD days into good days...something that is very hard to do.
- Regarding PB's of the top contenders I don't think Daryl or Andrew have ran 5k's...and the 3k's only differ slightly.
Also an important note: Robert Denault has developed a dangerously comfortable bounce in his stride that will shake the high school track world like no other...
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Post by BeachBoy on Nov 9, 2009 4:25:34 GMT -5
Oldster:
What were your predictions for OFSAA? I can't find them on the other threads.
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Post by coachc on Nov 9, 2009 7:36:22 GMT -5
Oldster, why would calling Woodfine to finish anywhere but first be a bad call? In fact, Andrew De Groots time at Pre-OFSAA was four seconds faster than Woodfine's winning time...if not for getting hit with the flu last week, he may have given Woodfine a run for his money. Woodfine may have still won, but it could have been a lot closer. Maybe your knowledge isn't as great as you think if you thought Woodfine would walk away with it. If you knew DeGroot maybe you could say he had a legitimate chance to win barring, and i quote (i.e. for any reason except the flu or some other unforeseen circumstance) Talk all you want about the flu this and pre-OFSAA that, but there was no way this kid was going to lose when it counted (although I allowed that it was a little more reasonable to call him for second, in case someone had an amazing one-off performance and he was a little flat). The facts are pretty simple: -He ran 14:45 in an all-comers meet, in mid-summer, in 30 degree heat. No one else in this field had come near that in perfect conditions. -During the school season, running a nothing meet, and winning by a minute or so, he ran 8:27, with a 30 sec last 200. -He did this during, and just out of, the 10th grade. -He didn't even win in the 9th grade, suggesting a really rapid upward developmental trajectory that was not going to slow down quickly (think Mo Ahmed here). A kid like this can get better literally from one week to the next. -Pre-OFSAA was just that-- PRE-OFSAA. A properly prepared runner would have been training through that one. I imagine he was, yet he was still right in there. And times in X-C mean nothing, even on the same course from one week to another. Even very subtle changes in weather and course conditions tend to have big effects on time. -In the actual race, he put 10 extra secs on second place in the last 5mins-- from the front, no less. This was a very easy win for him. In another week, as he continues to recover from his busy tri season, he'd probably be 30 secs up. All-tolled, there was very little chance this guy was ever going to lose this race. At 16 years old, he is simply one another level from anyone else in Ontario high school, and he is moving further beyond the pack almost as we speak. From now till he graduates, it will take nothing short of a small disaster for him to lose am important race to another high school athlete. The chance to beat him was this fall, and that has now passed. Oldster likes to make his predictions after the race because hindsight is 100%  Also I don't think anyone on the board is trashing Tristan as he is a GREAT runner / athlete and a good guy as well. What people are talking about are oldsters over the top comments in hind sight which indirectly are belittling the previous healthy race efforts of Degroot and Smith. |
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Post by oldster on Nov 9, 2009 9:11:07 GMT -5
Oldster: What were your predictions for OFSAA? I can't find them on the other threads. You got me there! I tend not to make predictions, especially on kid's races, and not on here. And neither should many of you, judging by the quality of your calls!  |
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Post by BeachBoy on Nov 9, 2009 9:44:14 GMT -5
so the point of this thread was to chirp everyone?
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Post by knights on Nov 9, 2009 9:44:25 GMT -5
CMoses continues to dominate predictions on this board! -The idea of this thread is rather childish... -Tristan ran a good race, nothing phenomenal, but I suppose now with the rumours of his easy run training regiment...that this is understandable. -It was quite possible for him to have placed third- I think Daryl and Andrew both turned extremely BAD days into good days...something that is very hard to do. i don't understand how this is childish. we spend months, literally months, throwing out predictions, we go watch the races, and then we all shut up for 6 months until the next ofsaa season rolls around. why not take a look at what we didn't consider before hand, and use that to help us make more sound judgements of what our runners are capable of. tristan, although not as dominant as mo was last year, was not even touched from 2k on. sure, we should all be running our own pace, but no one could even go with him once he picked up the pace. everyone is saying that he's matured too early, but he's still improving every month and he's probably matured less than most of the guys in that race if you look at age alone. he's not huge. he's the size of a typical 16 year old. if you try and run with him he's only going to go faster. his PB's are all solo, like oldster mentioned. but he's no miracle. some of his training is 'lawl' worthy. love it. |
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Post by oldster on Nov 9, 2009 9:53:30 GMT -5
CMoses continues to dominate predictions on this board! -The idea of this thread is rather childish... Is it any more childish than people making "predictions" that are based more on things like how good their team mate is looking in practice, or someone's margin of victory in a poorly attended invitational, than on any real knowledge-- predictions that they will never have to account for? Maybe, in a small way, having some prediction-accountability will encourage kids to learn more about the sport they're involved in, including understanding what makes someone better than someone else (hint: its not how nice they look when they're racing  ) This is all about having fun and being fans of the sport; but, most of these so-called "predictions" thread could just as easily be labeled: "I'm cheering for (substitute name of training partner, or kid-from-my-region-who's- really-handing-me-my-ass-in-races-and-therefore-must-be-an-OFSAA-contender-because-I'm-really-quite-good-myself) threads. |
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Post by penguin on Nov 9, 2009 10:13:59 GMT -5
"But, junior girls, pay close attention to Regi's Clara Langley. She who won the senior girls race here (while training through, and deliberately waiting till the 10min mark to do any leading-- a very strong performance indeed). This comes after an effortless 40 sec junior girls win in season opener at Trinity. I don't normally do the prediction thing, particularly in the case of kids, but I can't imagine this girl not being a big factor at OFSAA this year."
See Oldster does predict, just doesn't own up !
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Post by BeachBoy on Nov 9, 2009 10:23:48 GMT -5
Predictions
"No one can possibly know what is about to happen: it is happening, each time, for the first time, for the only time." - James Baldwin
"Predictions of the future are never anything but projections of present automatic processes and procedures, that is, of occurrences that are likely to come to pass if men do not act and if nothing unexpected happens; every action, for better or worse, and every accident necessarily destroys the whole pattern in whose frame the prediction moves and where it finds its evidence." - Hannah Arendt
It's fun to make predictions. No one has to agree with them.
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Post by oldster on Nov 9, 2009 10:42:31 GMT -5
so the point of this thread was to chirp everyone? Absolutely not! That never happens on here, and should never be allowed. |
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Post by SI on Nov 9, 2009 10:45:03 GMT -5
"But, junior girls, pay close attention to Regi's Clara Langley. She who won the senior girls race here (while training through, and deliberately waiting till the 10min mark to do any leading-- a very strong performance indeed). This comes after an effortless 40 sec junior girls win in season opener at Trinity. I don't normally do the prediction thing, particularly in the case of kids, but I can't imagine this girl not being a big factor at OFSAA this year." See Oldster does predict, just doesn't own up ! 104th in case anyone is interested. |
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Post by oldster on Nov 9, 2009 10:49:29 GMT -5
"But, junior girls, pay close attention to Regi's Clara Langley. She who won the senior girls race here (while training through, and deliberately waiting till the 10min mark to do any leading-- a very strong performance indeed). This comes after an effortless 40 sec junior girls win in season opener at Trinity. I don't normally do the prediction thing, particularly in the case of kids, but I can't imagine this girl not being a big factor at OFSAA this year." See Oldster does predict, just doesn't own up ! Ouch! Forgot about that. I still think it was a very solid call at the time, but it still violated all my rules and instincts (hence, all the hedging). That will be my first and last foray into predicting anything below senior. I'm happy to say that my hunch about the about the Sydenham boys was correct. But, this thread isn't about getting it right, it's about getting it wrong! |
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Post by BeachBoy on Nov 9, 2009 11:01:22 GMT -5
and you did get something wrong, imagine that. First time ever?
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Post by oldster on Nov 9, 2009 11:05:17 GMT -5
Predictions "No one can possibly know what is about to happen: it is happening, each time, for the first time, for the only time." - James Baldwin "Predictions of the future are never anything but projections of present automatic processes and procedures, that is, of occurrences that are likely to come to pass if men do not act and if nothing unexpected happens; every action, for better or worse, and every accident necessarily destroys the whole pattern in whose frame the prediction moves and where it finds its evidence." - Hannah Arendt It's fun to make predictions. No one has to agree with them. Isn't it also fun, and perhaps even educational, to revisit, and perhaps ridicule, obviously bad predictions? Why are some people all of a so sensitive? |
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Post by Eldridge on Nov 9, 2009 11:09:14 GMT -5
1.woodfine -- 1st
2.degroot -- 3rd
3.hosier -- 11th
4.janikowski -- 2nd
5.king -- didnt race - sick at qualifier
6.smith -- 5th
7.kowalski -- 6th
8.devries -- 38?? what happened
9.boychuk -- 8th
i wasnt bad for the most part. taking king out of the results shifted 3 guys on my list up
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Post by BeachBoy on Nov 9, 2009 11:30:43 GMT -5
Isn't it also fun, and perhaps even educational, to revisit, and perhaps ridicule, obviously bad predictions? Why are some people all of a so sensitive? I'm all over the ridicule part. |
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Post by oldster on Nov 9, 2009 12:31:16 GMT -5
and you did get something wrong, imagine that. First time ever? No, I'm thinking perhaps the second or third time I also thought Reid Coolsaet's decision to run Ottawa was grave folly (happy to have blown this one). This sport gets a whole lot easier to understand after 30 (wasted?) years of obsessive involvement. However, I still find teenage athletes mystifying. I'm learning not to be surprised by anything they do, good or bad. |
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Post by djw on Nov 9, 2009 12:41:07 GMT -5
Hey Oldster, I know the message boarding takes priority, especially when you get to ridicule teenagers, but would it be possible to pull yourself away for a few minutes and do some coaching!?!?!
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Post by SI on Nov 9, 2009 13:42:19 GMT -5
Wouldn't he know better than anyone if you can do both?
edit-this was in response to a now deleted post where Steve said he could post messages and also coach. My take was that Dylan would know the answer to that question better than anyone.
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Post by nowhere on Nov 9, 2009 14:06:17 GMT -5
Hey Oldster, I know the message boarding takes priority, especially when you get to ridicule teenagers, but would it be possible to pull yourself away for a few minutes and do some coaching!?!?! Hey, guy with 11 posts in 4 years, why not share more of your own wisdom? If I'm wasting my time posting on here instead of coaching (and thanks for your advice, but I can manage both), what does that say about someone who's taking the time to read and make useless comments on what I post! (Why do people never get the irony of accusing some one of wasting one's time on a message board by themselves reading and posting on a message board!?). If djw is who I think it is...this made me enjoy anonymous message board irony that much more  |
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Post by djw on Nov 9, 2009 14:19:00 GMT -5
Steve, just because Cory Currie won't pay you for your coaching services does not mean you have to take it out on everyone else on this board.
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Post by djw on Nov 9, 2009 14:23:28 GMT -5
Ya, it's brilliant that Steve just lashed out at me. All I wanted him to do was write me a schedule for the week. Now I think I am going to have to look for a new coach. And in the mean time I am going to post on here as many times as possible to get my # of posts up to an oldster worthy level. And I will be imparting no wisdom whatsoever, it's going to be all useless comments to oldster's posts!
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Post by BeachBoy on Nov 9, 2009 14:33:28 GMT -5
loving this thread now.
I wonder how many posts are needed, 1100 maybe.
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Post by oldster on Nov 9, 2009 14:52:23 GMT -5
Damn you Wykes!! (Thanks, yes, I'm an idiot. Carry on.)
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Post by SI on Nov 9, 2009 15:00:10 GMT -5
What did you think I was talking about in my reply to your now deleted post? Ok-just learned something about this board. A lot of boards allow you to delete your posts if you are the last post on a thread. Otherwise, stuff gets completely out of context like some posts are now on this thread. Your only recourse at that point is to delete the words but the post itself stays there. I think that is a better way to do it. Chris-is that an option?
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Post by oldster on Nov 9, 2009 15:23:31 GMT -5
I didn't catch your meaning the first time, SI, but it's pretty hilarious now. I had no idea "djw" even had an account on this board, but I should have recognized his sense of humour! (In my own defense, I already HAD sent him his week!).
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Post by thinskinned on Nov 9, 2009 16:15:48 GMT -5
Happy to see I am not the only "good friend" of oldster's who gets ripped a new one before realizing who the poster is Hothead!! |
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Post by oldster on Nov 9, 2009 17:59:08 GMT -5
Happy to see I am not the only "good friend" of oldster's who gets ripped a new one before realizing who the poster is Hothead!! Hey buddy, in your case I KNEW who I was talking to!!  (For some reason, the angry smiley face doesn't have quite the impact it was presumably designed for. They'll have to work on that.) |
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Post by im on Nov 9, 2009 18:36:48 GMT -5
Any old school boys from the 90's could appreciate this.
You mention how no one could touch Woodfine credentials of 14:45 on the track or his 8:27. Well back in the 90's there was a guy named Steve Bohan who was top 2 at ofsaa and he couldn't even break 9:00 for 3K. And when he made the national junior team his best 3K ever was around the mid 8:50's.
So just because someone can run fast on the track, doesn't mean they can run away with an OFSAA title. Bohan proved the opposite many times. Many of his teammates and coaches still can't figure that one out. He just had the metal fortitude like no other when it came to cross country.
Long live "the eagle"
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Post by SI on Nov 9, 2009 18:52:49 GMT -5
104th in case anyone is interested. I don't think she was running at her full potential Not the point in the context of this thread. |
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