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Post by SI on Nov 1, 2009 10:36:15 GMT -5
1. Get both sides of the story 2. Nazi references should get your radar up. "“I bet you she would get a medal at OFSAA, so I’m hoping the protest is going to go through,” Young said. “But there are some people who are so Gestopo-like in their thinking that they don’t want to give a poor midget girl a chance.” On Tuesday, Kuhn received a phone call from the District School Board of Niagara that her appeal was denied." www.niagarathisweek.com/news/article/284782My take on the story-some meddling club coach wrecked this potential OFSAA medalist's chances. If Mr Young wants to place the blame anywhere, he should take a look in the mirror. |
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Post by gwig on Nov 1, 2009 11:42:34 GMT -5
She definitly had the race won, but if she had just started at the starting line it would have been better, when I saw it, it looked like maybe she was running late and didnt have time to get to the starting line. But, she ran a solid race.
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Post by SI on Nov 1, 2009 11:45:35 GMT -5
but if she had just started at the starting line it would have been better I'll say. But, she ran a solid race. With the exception of the not running the whole thing part. |
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Post by Eldridge on Nov 1, 2009 12:40:51 GMT -5
The Ridgeway native has been running through an Osgood-Schlatter injury for two years. Osgood-Schlatter is an inflammation of the bone or cartilage at the top of the shinbone where the tendon from the kneecap attaches.
“She seems to be able to work through. She’s popped up this year, and it’s getting worse,” said Young. “Trust me, when she gets through the Osgood-Schlatter, when the growth, stability and plates are in place, watch this girl. She is going to be huge.”
maybe for the best??
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Post by mammas on Nov 1, 2009 12:40:59 GMT -5
Get the facts: 1. Zone is run by NRHSAA, under SOSSA rules, under OFSAA rules. Has nothing to do with DSBN. 2. Runners have to be on the starting line for a race. Period.
3. There was no appeal.
Question: Where was she? Witnesses put her at the Club tent with the Club coach while everyone else was on the starting line. First race of the day started on time.
Opinion: Unethical coaches should not be allowed to coach children! He can't lie his way out of this one.
The sadest part is, in the end, the athlete suffers. Her season is not over. Club athletes still have AO championships Nov. 15.
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Post by woodfine on Nov 1, 2009 14:24:58 GMT -5
This article really victimizes her but really its your own responsibility to be at the start line on time whether they announce it or not. No offence to the girl but its not even the coaches fault either. The coach as a bunch of athletes to look after and if your in high school you should be able to look after yourself. Lets be serious its not that hard to be on time expecially when your in the first race of the day, which almost always runs on time.
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Post by SI on Nov 1, 2009 14:37:57 GMT -5
No offence to the girl but its not even the coaches fault either. It is more his fault than where he is trying to place the blame. The coach as a bunch of athletes to look after The fact that he was "looking after" her was the problem. He wasn't her high school coach. |
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Post by coachfaulds on Nov 1, 2009 16:56:19 GMT -5
The fact that she missed the start means that she didn't run the entire course. It doesn't matter if she joined in 100m into the race or even less. This means that she didn't run the same course as everyone else. In fact, I would say it is a huge advantage to pop into the race even 75m into it to avoid some of the jostling and heart rate elevating pressures at the start.
From the sound of the article, this young runner has done quite a bit of racing. It is her responsibility to be there ready to start when the race is scheduled to start regardless of the announcing. If the race had gone 15 minutes prior to the scheduled start time then she might have a case but if it started when they said it would she has no one to blame but herself (and her coach that kept her distracted enough to miss the start).
I also don't think a 20 minute 5k would be a guarantee of a medal in MG this year but would likely mean that she'd have a shot at a top 10.
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Post by BeachBoy on Nov 2, 2009 1:56:29 GMT -5
"A lie is a game usually to gain some sort of status. People want to present the best picture of themselves so they won't be held accountable. It defends ourselves against possible social criticism." Walter Podilchak, Toronto sociologist
The problem that the NRHSAA has with the article in the Niagara Falls Review is that Mike Young has chosen to tell lies in a public forum about the disqualification incident.
He says "There was no announcement or call made that the midget girls were going to gather" Not true....the speaker system was used beginning with the coaches meeting and continued through the day. As well, a coach walked along the tent area calling it out.
He says that there was a phone call from the District School Board of Niagara that her appeal was denied. Two lies right there. There was no phone call, appeals are handled only by the NRHSAA. There was no appeal filed.
All races began on schedule.
When he realized that the race had begun and the racers were passing by, he told his runner to jump in, 150m into the race. She did as told.
There were many witnesses to what happened and to what Coach Young said.
Ultimately, the girl is disqualified.
I wonder if this coach apologized to his athlete for allowing her to miss the start of her first major high school race. He could have prevented this from happening by checking his watch and looking up the field to see if the girls were lining up. The NRA tent was in clear view of the start/finish area. To say that the girl should have made sure she got herself to the line is right, but this is a grade 9 who is listening to her track club coach, someone who should know how much time she has before the gun goes off. Someone who should be giving her good advice.
Another issue the NRHSAA has with the article is defamation of character. The comment "But there are some people who are so Gestapo-like in their thinking that they don't want to give a poor midget girl a chance." is libel. This remark is an attempt to discredit the NRHSAA athletic head and the Zone convenor who had to make the decision to disqualify the runner.
The meet was a high school meet...perhaps if the club coach had permitted the high school coach to look after her runner she may have made it to the start line in plenty of time. Instead he continued to talk to her while the other midget racers were making final preparations in the start area.
What did Coach Young expect to gain by going public with lies? My guess is he doesn't want to be held accountable.
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Post by woodfine on Nov 2, 2009 7:46:52 GMT -5
No offence to the girl but its not even the coaches fault either. It is more his fault than where he is trying to place the blame. Your right the coach shouldn't be trying to place the blame on the race officials but the blame shouldn't be on the coach for the girl missing her race. The girl is in high school and should have the initiative to get to her race on time. Its irrelevant whether the coach was looking after her or not, if your in high school you shouldn't need someone to babysit you and make sure you get to your race on time. |
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Post by SI on Nov 2, 2009 8:13:58 GMT -5
I am talking about relative blame here. Believe me, I understand the whole taking personal responsibility concept.
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Post by journeyman on Nov 2, 2009 20:55:44 GMT -5
Reporting 101 would be get the story, not get the facts. Given the choice between girl and coach make mistake, suffer consequences and girl wronged, coach self-righteous, justice denied, the choice is clear, facts be damned!
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