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Post by henry25 on Oct 28, 2009 19:09:52 GMT -5
any GBSSA results? im guessing Degroot jogged in for the win? lol
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Post by G Nicol on Oct 28, 2009 19:18:09 GMT -5
any GBSSA results? im guessing Degroot jogged in for the win? lol Haha, i head degroot won by a pretty large margin, over a minute on Pesce and then Pesce was over a minute and a half up on 3rd place. Banting won the team title, 39 points and maybe Parry sound second? |
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Post by nowhere on Oct 28, 2009 19:59:20 GMT -5
34 runners in the midget girls race....some local qualifiers are bigger than this. Does CISAA get the same number of entries as other (larger) associations? The midget girls winning time was very solid though. An 11:03 on that course when you win by a minute is good running. As far as the qualification question, different regions can be loaded with talent at any given time while others can be weaker. When I was in high school in the early 80s guys like future national team member Bruce Deacon didn't get past East Regionals to OFSAA as a junior when they were capable of making the final if they had qualified. One or two or even ten years with a weaker association doesn't mean you should shift qualifying spots elsewhere. Creating a regional system as bystander suggest ensures that any region that happens to be stronger than another in any given year and place. You're not necessarily shifting qualifying spots away from weaker associations for good, but shifting qualifying spots to stronger regions at the times they are strong...if I'm interpreting you right bystander. We're more concerned about the smaller associations where the depth of talent is not as large as it is in a regional system than with the strength of each region. |
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Post by phibrizzo on Oct 28, 2009 20:30:06 GMT -5
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Post by henry25 on Oct 28, 2009 20:49:51 GMT -5
Sleiman won by 69 seconds and averaged 5:27 miles? impressive
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Post by syphon on Oct 29, 2009 2:31:19 GMT -5
Sleiman won by 69 seconds and averaged 5:27 miles? impressive For the third time: He's so goddamn fast. 7th fastest pace overall. |
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Post by bystander on Oct 29, 2009 11:38:16 GMT -5
Nowhere;
That's basically the gist of it. There will always be good individuals in most associations, and some teams as well, but cyclically things will change around.
Another reason is that the depth of quality is generally weaker than it was years ago. While there are a number of newer schools throughout the province - changing demographics (and more Catholic schools and independents as well) - the number of athletes at things like City/county meets (certainly in my area) is way down. In part because there are more sport alternatives for HS kids these days and also that some boards (not sure how many) no longer allow for participation in multiple sports along with the attendent 16 practice rule (which in and of itself doesn't increase quality anyway) - which siphons away potential talent for the sport at this level.
Look at Regions like the west - some year's CWOSSA is dominant (varying in age group and gender as well), other year's it's SWOSSA or WOSSA. By adding another qualifying level, this all comes out in the wash (so to speak) so that better quality athletes aren't left at home, simply because they happen to be in a strong association that year for that age group/gender.
This isn't going to make everything completely equitable, there are still going to issues as to whether the absolute best qualify, as even Regions vary in strength, but it would certainly even things out more than they are now.
I also don't understand why TDSSAA gets more qualifiers than other associations, it's not as if Toronto is in any way dominant in XC these days - an example of an anachronistic rule. This is a case where increased numbers don't reflect increased quality.
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Post by F.T on Oct 29, 2009 12:15:40 GMT -5
any GBSSA results? im guessing Degroot jogged in for the win? lol Haha, i head degroot won by a pretty large margin, over a minute on Pesce and then Pesce was over a minute and a half up on 3rd place. Banting won the team title, 39 points and maybe Parry sound second? Collingwood squeeked in with the second team scoring 45 points. Collingwoods first runner missed the start of the race but still managed 8th? I believe. There was a huge discrepency with the marshalling, places 4 through 6th were disqualified for taking a wrong turn. When they post the results they should be accurate though. |
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Post by F.T on Oct 29, 2009 12:34:08 GMT -5
I would also like to make a special mention about the collingwood runners, having been a gbssa coach (now just a retired observer  ) ive always watched the squad take to the hills of duntroon, and simply demolish the competition as a whole. This year they captured 4 of the 6 team titles and qualified a team for ofsaa in every division except for junior girls. I noticed nobody has talked about the senior boys crew in collingwood, mainly because although they have four very strong runners, one of them always seems to be missing or sick or injured. However I believe that this group could easily crack the top 10 team list at ofsaa if everyone runs well. The team, managed by two athletic enthusiastic coaches (one of whom is Al couckel, im not sure of the other) Have been producing great athletes (Jay Morill being the most memorable) and great teams along with completly dominating the GBSSA region over the past 10 years. The team is always energized and high-spirited, which makes for a great cross country athmosphere. It's teams like this one, that really put the fun back into XC running |
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Post by distancemedley on Oct 29, 2009 16:56:06 GMT -5
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Post by borisp on Oct 29, 2009 17:34:39 GMT -5
CWOSSA Today
I didn't stay for the official results so if i'm wrong ... oops
Senior Boys
1) Abdu Z (Can't spell:) Jacob Hespler
2) Jordan Collison
3) Andrew Belanger
4) Jason Thorton Jacob Hespler
5) Center Wellington Runner 1 (Austin Trapp maybe?)
6) Jon Martin (still sick)
Jon's brother Andrew survived.
Center Wellington won and I believe that Cameron Heights did hold on to second.
Senior Girls
1) Caighleigh Smith (sorry on Spelling)
2) A girl in Yellow (from Center Wellington I think)
3) Kristen Flannagen from St. Mary's
I am assuming that Our Lady of Lourdes and St. Mary's advanced as teams.
Junior Boys
1) Ben Flannagan (a midget) from St. Mary's
St. Mary's won the team title, don't know who was second. Gavin Shields did not run.
Junior Girls
1) Alayah Roga from St. David's
2) Courtney Watson from Kincardin
3) Taylor Martin from Cameron.
No idea on teams. Cheyenne Hunter did not run.
Midget Boys
NO IDEA
MIDGET Girls
1) Jamie Phelan won very very easily
Teams to advance were St. Benedicts and St. James
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Post by Haller on Oct 29, 2009 18:29:27 GMT -5
CWOSSA Today I didn't stay for the official results so if i'm wrong ... oops Senior Boys 1) Abdu Z (Can't spell:) Jacob Hespler 2) Jordan Collison 3) Andrew Belanger 4) Jason Thorton Jacob Hespler 5) Center Wellington Runner 1 (Austin Trapp maybe?) 6) Jon Martin (still sick) Jon's brother Andrew survived. Center Wellington won and I believe that Cameron Heights did hold on to second. Senior Girls 1) Caighleigh Smith (sorry on Spelling) 2) A girl in Yellow (from Center Wellington I think) 3) Kristen Flannagen from St. Mary's I am assuming that Our Lady of Lourdes and St. Mary's advanced as teams. Junior Boys 1) Ben Flannagan (a midget) from St. Mary's St. Mary's won the team title, don't know who was second. Gavin Shields did not run. Junior Girls 1) Alayah Roga from St. David's 2) Courtney Watson from Kincardin 3) Taylor Martin from Cameron. No idea on teams. Cheyenne Hunter did not run. Midget Boys NO IDEA MIDGET Girls 1) Jamie Phelan won very very easily Teams to advance were St. Benedicts and St. James To update this.... 2nd in Senior Girls was Jenn Downing-Medley from CW 4th was Sara Bowman of Ross Lourdes won by a lot, St. Mary's second with Cameron and Guelph CVI close behind Junior Girls teams were Forest Heights and Bluevale Junior Girls 4th place Maggie McDonald (Erin District) Midget Boys 1st St. Mary's runner (Owen Sound I believe) 2nd Matthew Bannon (Elmira) 3rd Peter Quosai (Centennial in Guelph) 4th Liam Stiles (Ross in Guelph) |
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Post by crossrunner7 on Oct 29, 2009 19:20:52 GMT -5
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Post by oldrunner on Oct 29, 2009 19:22:36 GMT -5
CWOSSA Today I didn't stay for the official results so if i'm wrong ... oops Senior Boys 1) Abdu Z (Can't spell:) Jacob Hespler 2) Jordan Collison 3) Andrew Belanger 4) Jason Thorton Jacob Hespler 5) Center Wellington Runner 1 (Austin Trapp maybe?) 6) Jon Martin (still sick) Jon's brother Andrew survived. Center Wellington won and I believe that Cameron Heights did hold on to second. Tough day for Cameron. Their #1, #2 and #5 senior boy runners are down with H1N1 and they still ran in order to help their team qualify for OFSAA. They managed to place 2nd however a number of other runners were impacted by illness. |
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Post by Tyler Carvalho on Oct 29, 2009 19:51:04 GMT -5
Ryan Slieman vs Philip Messina should be a good midget boys showdown! Philip is good, but Ryan's still going to win! |
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Post by wrestlerun on Oct 29, 2009 20:17:38 GMT -5
Nothing against the top girl's time...BUT, 13 runners out of 34 froms this race are going to OFSAA...more than1/3 of the field...that seems disproportional to areas where 13 runners are coming out of 150 or more.
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Post by loverunning on Oct 29, 2009 20:27:52 GMT -5
Nothing against the top girl's time...BUT, 13 runners out of 34 froms this race are going to OFSAA...more than1/3 of the field...that seems disproportional to areas where 13 runners are coming out of 150 or more. Ya, that's actually so chince, like all the more reason to go to Regional format! |
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Post by coachfaulds on Oct 29, 2009 21:07:01 GMT -5
Some results from COSSA. Full results should be on the cossa.ca website sometime in the next day or two but they're not there yet so here is what I can remember MG 1) Rachel Faulds won easily by 35 seconds 2) Katie Svoboda 3) can't remember her name 4) Brooke Babcock Rachel looked very strong ...... I'm somewhat biased though and is running well for a swimmer. She could be a top 10 threat at OFSAA even though she has only been run training for a couple of months and if she doesn't get the cold her father/coach has been fighting. Centennial won the team title easily even though Katie's twin sister was not feeling well and came in around 12th. This team could be a top 10 threat at OFSAA. MB 1) kid from Port Hope Couglin (sp?) won by around 10 seconds 2) Adam Doxtator Bayside - outsprinted a kid from St. Peters for the silver JG 1) Alexandra Rainville - won by 45 seconds and looked really good running 3:40/km pace JB 1) Nick Holden Quinte looked really good SG 1) Domi Janicky (sp?) Cobourg West by a long way SB 1) Hosier by a minute 2) James Denny 3) Dakota Holgate Centennial won the team easily even though their top runner came back from being sick for a week and cruised. This team should be top 10 at OFSAA if they can all get healthy |
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Post by SI on Oct 30, 2009 8:04:40 GMT -5
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Post by oldbones on Oct 30, 2009 8:29:14 GMT -5
Kinda surprised by this result for Senior Boys ROPSSAA. I expected Chris to win this one; another runner not feeling well?
1 1177 Jeff Stone 22:46 3:16 Turner Fenton
2 426 Luca Geiser 23:09 3:19 John Cabot
3 889 Philippe Parrot-Migas 23:27 3:21 St.AloysiusGonzaga
4 543 Chris Dulhanty 23:52 3:25 Loyola Warriors
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Post by kingwwc on Oct 30, 2009 8:58:20 GMT -5
Kinda surprised by this result for Senior Boys ROPSSAA. I expected Chris to win this one; another runner not feeling well? 1 1177 Jeff Stone 22:46 3:16 Turner Fenton 2 426 Luca Geiser 23:09 3:19 John Cabot 3 889 Philippe Parrot-Migas 23:27 3:21 St.AloysiusGonzaga 4 543 Chris Dulhanty 23:52 3:25 Loyola Warriors Ya it sucks for him, because Leger and Mayfield were the teams that made it through, so Chris doesnt go to the show at all now. |
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Post by distancemedley on Oct 30, 2009 9:05:16 GMT -5
all associations are accounted for except EOSSAA and TDCAA which take place today (oct 30th). The results/links are posted on page one of this thread,
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Post by Haller on Oct 30, 2009 9:52:42 GMT -5
There are two kids that I coach that both finished 4th in a matter of 30 minutes of each other and neither advanced. Both in CWOSSA, a midget boy and a junior girl. Worse, the junior girl was on the third place team. Those are the breaks. |
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Post by bystander on Oct 30, 2009 10:36:22 GMT -5
Kinda surprised by this result for Senior Boys ROPSSAA. I expected Chris to win this one; another runner not feeling well? 1 1177 Jeff Stone 22:46 3:16 Turner Fenton 2 426 Luca Geiser 23:09 3:19 John Cabot 3 889 Philippe Parrot-Migas 23:27 3:21 St.AloysiusGonzaga 4 543 Chris Dulhanty 23:52 3:25 Loyola Warriors I don't know the state of Dulhanty's health - and he certainly ran well in the Steeple last spring/summer - but Stone has run well this fall. Stone ran under 15 minutes at McQuaid - top Canadian time (and some pretty good guys ran). |
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Post by dr1500 on Oct 30, 2009 10:42:17 GMT -5
Kinda surprised by this result for Senior Boys ROPSSAA. I expected Chris to win this one; another runner not feeling well? 1 1177 Jeff Stone 22:46 3:16 Turner Fenton 2 426 Luca Geiser 23:09 3:19 John Cabot 3 889 Philippe Parrot-Migas 23:27 3:21 St.AloysiusGonzaga 4 543 Chris Dulhanty 23:52 3:25 Loyola Warriors I don't know the state of Dulhanty's health - and he certainly ran well in the Steeple last spring/summer - but Stone has run well this fall. Stone ran under 15 minutes at McQuaid - top Canadian time (and some pretty good guys ran). Chris was dealing with foot/ankle problems during the early season, then aggrevated it again just before ROPSSAA. |
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Post by loverunning on Oct 30, 2009 10:46:29 GMT -5
Another 4th place overall runner who didn't advance was Mackay Wilson in the Senior Boys race at WOSSAA. He lost in a sprint off with Paul LaMarra, finshed 1 second behind him.
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Post by coachc on Oct 30, 2009 13:33:18 GMT -5
Some results from COSSA. Full results should be on the cossa.ca website sometime in the next day or two but they're not there yet so here is what I can remember Centennial won the team title easily even though Katie's twin sister was not feeling well and came in around 12th. This team could be a top 10 threat at OFSAA. MB 1) kid from Port Hope Couglin (sp?) won by around 10 seconds 2) Adam Doxtator Bayside - outsprinted a kid from St. Peters for the silver Jeremy Coughler and Adam were 2nd and third at Pre OFSAA. Jeremy also finished among the top group in Rochester only 8sec behind Messina |
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Post by miletime on Oct 30, 2009 14:40:56 GMT -5
Ryan Slieman vs Philip Messina should be a good midget boys showdown! Philip is good, but Ryan's still going to win! Matt Stevenson and Jeremy Coughler will both be in the running as well. Don't count them out as they wen 1 and 2 at pre-ofsaa. |
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Post by rez on Oct 30, 2009 14:44:50 GMT -5
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Post by distancemedley on Oct 30, 2009 14:57:14 GMT -5
anyone know how EOSSAA shaped up today??
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) ive always watched the squad take to the hills of duntroon, and simply demolish the competition as a whole. This year they captured 4 of the 6 team titles and qualified a team for ofsaa in every division except for junior girls. I noticed nobody has talked about the senior boys crew in collingwood, mainly because although they have four very strong runners, one of them always seems to be missing or sick or injured. However I believe that this group could easily crack the top 10 team list at ofsaa if everyone runs well. 
