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Post by Realist on Aug 28, 2004 9:40:30 GMT -5
One more thing....
Someone in a 100m race being fractions of a second off a standard may be the same as someone in longer races being a couple seconds off the standard. If you want to make a comparison then look at % back of standard. Here's an example. In a 13 second race 3% is .39 seconds. In a 3:40 race 3% is 6.6 seconds. Its all relative, does that MAKE SENSE?
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Post by Eldridge on Aug 28, 2004 11:36:36 GMT -5
o wow good to see the love shown on here  |
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Post by seamus on Aug 28, 2004 16:02:58 GMT -5
Interesting that men are judged solely on performance and that the women are often also judged on looks.
Carmen ran an incredible race today. A pr and 9th in the final!
Charles Allen also stepped up and performed well given that he had the opportunity....
Distance orientation, or sprint orientation...whatever. I can appreciate good performances without commenting on something an non-relevant as someone's looks.
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Post by the guru on Aug 28, 2004 19:28:27 GMT -5
hey makesense please,
you're an idiot!
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Post by toronto on Aug 30, 2004 10:48:08 GMT -5
I would like to clarify something... I am a good friend of charles and have been in contact with him throughout the olympics. He is a firm supporter of the tough standards. Infact he chose to run for Canada even though he could have run for his home country with much lower standards like he did last olympics...because he wanted the tough standards. The standards are there to send the best. Look at Tyler Christopher when asked about the standards he said he didn't want to go to the olympics if he didn't run the standards because he only wants to compete at the olympics if he is going to do well and that is what the standards are there for. so don't say that charles is being political in what he says...you don't know him and he means what he says if you know charles then you would know that he speaks his mind and he is tired of all this COC standard talk because he thinks it takes away from the achievement of the athletes who make it...and for the record comparing .39 in the sprints is not what the previous reader was talking about...charles and the sprinters were hundredths of a second off..so .05 in a sprint would be on a percentage basis less than a second in the 1500....so those two arent combarable. no on is talking about .39 seconds that is huge in a sprint.
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Post by realist on Aug 30, 2004 11:31:02 GMT -5
.39 was just an example to show a point. I never said Charles was that much off standard. I was simply making a comparison of 3%.
Charles ran 13.54 before the July 11th deadline, his 13.50 was run july 23rd. So you said he was .05 off standard. That means standard is 13.49, is that right?
If Charles really believed in the tough standards he would NOT have toed the line in Athens. By starting the race he made the statement "I belong here even though I haven't met the standards". That speaks much louder than anything he might say in his interview.
If he wanted to uphold the tough standards he would not have raced the hurdles at the olympics.
Tyler Christopher said he wouldn't want to run at the olympics to uphold the standards. Well, Charles ran.
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Post by toronto on Aug 30, 2004 11:44:37 GMT -5
r u kidding me.
Charles went for the relay and he knew that thats when they asked him if he wanted to skip the relay and run the final he said no way, he came for the relay. He made the Olympic team...and he is a supporter of the COCs decision, when your country asks you to run for them are u going to say no. Yes he knows he got to run the hurdles because he qualified for the olympics but to sit here and say he should have said no to running for your country is crap...get a life.
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Post by misunderstanding on Aug 30, 2004 12:16:07 GMT -5
realist, are you tlaking about tyler's interview with CBC after his race at nationals. He actually said that he wouldn't want to go because if he couldn't make the time then he would be able to compete. And if he can't compete he didn't want to go. It had nothing to do with COC.
I may be wrong about what you were referring to but let me know.
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Post by realist on Aug 30, 2004 12:19:30 GMT -5
To not run the hurdles is crap. I fully agree, Charles deserved to run the hurdles in my opinion.
FACT: Charles did NOT meet the COC standard in the hurdles and he ran the hurdles.
You said:
Look at Tyler Christopher when asked about the standards he said he didn't want to go to the olympics if he didn't run the standards because he only wants to compete at the olympics if he is going to do well and that is what the standards are there for
If the standards are there to do well and Charles believed in the tough standards then he shouldn't of toed the line. It seems obvious to me that Charles did believe he could be competitive and its a fact he did not have the COC standard.
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Post by realist on Aug 30, 2004 12:21:11 GMT -5
Misunderstanding,
It was Toronto that said something about Tyler Christopher, I was refering to Toronto's post.
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Post by realist on Aug 30, 2004 12:30:18 GMT -5
Toronto,
The COC standard was 13.46 and Charles had run 13.54 prior to the selection date. That is not .05 off the standard. its .08. I was not refeffering to anyone in my example % back of standard example but you were. So it is you who is giving the wrong information.
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Post by toronto on Aug 30, 2004 12:40:28 GMT -5
actually realist you are wrong...where did i ever say charles was .05 off. I was just using it as a bench mark to compare it with 1500 times...and again you seem to twist things around. If Charles didn't make it on the relay he knows he wouldn't have run the hurdles and he is 100% fine with that, he supports the standards, but when he qualified for the relay and they asked him to run he wasn't going to say no. He is supportive of the COC which asked him to run, he would have supported their decision if they didn't let him run either.
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Post by realist on Aug 30, 2004 12:41:51 GMT -5
I have to get off this thing...
Misunderstanding,
you make a good point. Tyler Christopher didn't have the Olympic standard of 45.55 mind you the COC standard of 45.37. So when you say the COC had nothing to do with it you are completely right. Thanks for pointing that out to us. But again if you read the posts you'll notice it was "Toronto" that first made the Tyler Christopher point.
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Post by Realist on Aug 30, 2004 12:50:19 GMT -5
You are right you never mentioned Charles was .05 off standard. I was just aggrevating you like you did to me in your first post. Its not nice to put word into other peoples mouths is it? And yes, Charles being .08 off standard is VERY close.
I still stand behind my point though. Charles running the hurdles tells me he thinks he deserves to be there. And if he says you need to have the standard to be there then he he shouldn't have raced the hurdles. He says the standards are there for a reason, well he broke that reason by running.
Did the Olympic team really want him to race the hurdles or did he want to race the hurdles? He went there for the relay so I would think that it was he wanted to run, but that of course is speculation.
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Post by asdf on Aug 30, 2004 14:43:30 GMT -5
Charles Allen did not deserve to run the hurdles. He never made the standard. It is not fair to the other athletes who were close.
He exemplifies the reasons why the COC standards were wrong, but he did not deserve to run the hurdles.
It is contradictory of Allen to support standards that should have kept him from running the Olympics.
And another thing... how is it that Alex Gardiner was able to convince the COC to allow Allen to run, while he was unable to convince the COC that Sullivan's mile equivalent should stand as an 'A' performance.
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Post by relay on Aug 30, 2004 15:14:36 GMT -5
charles got to run the hurdles because he made the relay why is that so hard to get. if reid made the 4x1 relay i doubt you would be mad if they let him run the 5k
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Post by four by one on Aug 30, 2004 15:29:20 GMT -5
Not to mention Charles made the IAAF olympic standard. That is why he was able to enter the hurdles.
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Post by Junior Nats on Aug 30, 2004 16:25:33 GMT -5
Now that would be Interesting..How far off of the 4x1 was Reids time?
I would have to think after his 5K and 1500 timeshe should have gotten some consideration atleast as an alternate.
That would have given us some representation in the 5K and Sully some help in the 1500.
Did he appeal to the COC?
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Post by observer on Aug 30, 2004 16:28:12 GMT -5
that wasn't really the point
the point was that allen actually talked in support of the tough standards but ran in a race in which he didn't meet the tough standards.
most people agree that he was fast enough (olympic standard wise) to run but he was contradicting himself in support of the standards by running in a race in which he didn't meet the tough standards.
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Post by guest on Aug 30, 2004 19:35:25 GMT -5
well put observer. some people still don't get it.
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Post by wrong on Aug 31, 2004 8:25:28 GMT -5
allen supported the standard, he also supports allowing pple to run if they had made the team for something else....not sending pple who weren't going period and didn't make standard...man thats it...i think its so dumb saying he shouldn't have run the hurdles...
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Post by realist on Aug 31, 2004 11:38:43 GMT -5
it is dumb to say he shouldn't have run the hurdles. That was a great opportunity for Charles and he made the most of it. Big PB and a spot in the final!
He proved that he belonged there without having the COC strandard. Is that statement not true?
If he felt so strong about upholding the COC standard then he should not have run. By running the race he is saying that he belongs in the race even though he doesn't have the standard.
I'm sorry I keep repeating myself but it seems some people don't get this point. Observer said it well, go read that post again.
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Post by charles for prez on Aug 31, 2004 12:26:26 GMT -5
wow the intelligence on this post is lacking...
Charles should have run, he made the olympic team according to the COC, as for saying he proved he belonged sure, but it's not a statement...we can't send athletes assuming they are going to pb by half a second in the hurdles, or 5 secs in the 1500, you are rewarded for how you performed during the yr.
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charles for prime minister
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Post by charles for prime minister on Aug 31, 2004 13:30:29 GMT -5
Charles for Prez,
I don't think you understand the point. Of course he should have run and he made the team by the 4X100, its all legit. The problem is that Charles says that the tough COC standards are fine and athletes should meet those standards to compete. Charles did not meet those standards in the hurdles.
Bottom line: Charles did not have the COC standard and made the final in the 110h. He proved that you don't need to have the COC standard to be competitive at the Olympics
What do other athletes do that have made the Olympic criteria but don't have a relay to rely on?
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Post by Yes on Aug 31, 2004 13:53:50 GMT -5
The Facts:
Allen made the team for 4 x 100m
Did NOT make the team for the 110mh
Simply he should have never been asked to run the hurdles - even if he did or did not agree with the COC standards!!
Why? Because it is not fair to the other athletes who were close to the standards in their respective events.
Since the COC standards were never about money (i.e., the cost of sending an athlete), but rather were set so as to send a competitive team - then athletes should have only been aloud to run the races they made the standard in . In Allen's case, he should have only ran the realy!!!
RELAY does not equal HURDLES!!!!
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Post by killin me on Aug 31, 2004 18:29:08 GMT -5
you guys we know the facts:
Charles didn't make the COC standard!
Charles made the 4x100 team!
Reid didn't make it in the 5km!
You're all idiots!!!
Move on...it's time to forget about track for 4 more years!!!!!!
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Post by coldneck on Aug 31, 2004 18:45:44 GMT -5
Of course I didn't make it in the 5000m I was the alternate for the 4 X100 team. After the 1998 4 X~100 Win from Moulton - Nash - Vollmer - Coolsaet around the football field it would of been ridiculous to leave me off the team.
My shoelace touched the bathroom floor today, where can I get new ones?
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