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Post by cocsucks on Aug 24, 2004 9:02:43 GMT -5
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Post by SFP on Aug 24, 2004 9:13:23 GMT -5
13.35 like whoa!
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Post by SFP on Aug 24, 2004 9:16:13 GMT -5
And that dude in the first heat, slowest reaction time, fastest overall time. Huge.
Why is Mark McKoy Austrian now?
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Post by coc look on Aug 25, 2004 14:11:43 GMT -5
See what can happen at the games COC.
13.30!
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Post by Chris Moulton on Aug 25, 2004 21:58:48 GMT -5
I am on the Allen bandwagon, lets go Charles bring home a medal and help destroy the tyranny that is the COC. Look at Womens Triathlon today the girl who won was ranked 40+ in the world.
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Post by COC on Aug 26, 2004 8:20:46 GMT -5
ummmm...
last time i checked making a semi isn't a medal...
he hasn't proven anything yet...the COC doesn't want to send semi finalists...lets see if he makes the final before we use him as a poster boy
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Post by COC does not get it on Aug 26, 2004 8:57:02 GMT -5
Charles still dropped his PB by .20 at the games.
The COC only cares about medals right away, that is the whole problem. Charles may not medal or even make the final (hopefully he gets through, he has a great shot now). But this experience at the Olympics has already made him a better hurdler and hopefully a medal threat at future major games. He has raised the bar for other male hurdlers in Canada as well. This stuff trickles down through the system. Example, Perdita running fast, Whyte in the final and three girls in total in that event. Give guys like Tyler Christpoher and Karl Jennings (13.47 pb) a shot and it will do more good than bad for the sport. They may not get a medal but you need to look past that and see all of the other benefits...
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Post by oly standard on Aug 26, 2004 9:00:08 GMT -5
side note: Olympic standard (not COC standard) 110 hurdles is 13.55
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Post by Eldridge on Aug 26, 2004 10:19:55 GMT -5
the COC should be looking to send ppl who can contend in a semi final. we have had numerous athletes that are there that havent come close to a semi final appearance. as for the COC only sending ppl who they think could make finals or possibly medal that crap. we should be sending the athletes that have made the standards set my the olympic commity. i saw allen run, he looks like hes still gota lot of speed to spend. it didnt even look like started running til bout the 7th hurdle (kinda backwards to everyone else in the race). in my oppinion he wil b in the finals and POSSIBLY a medal contendor. good luck  |
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Post by Chris Moulton on Aug 26, 2004 11:10:16 GMT -5
"last time i checked making a semi isn't a medal...
he hasn't proven anything yet...the COC doesn't want to send semi finalists...lets see if he makes the final before we use him as a poster boy"
Actually they do want semi-finalist top 12 which would be the finalist and the next 4 finishers. It would be awesome if Allen finished higher then Joe Stankevicius' Men's eight in rowing as Stankevicius said that athletes like Allen reduced his Olympic experience. True he has not medaled nor do I expect he will I said I hope he does because that would help show the absurdity of the COC standards. Then again maybe you are right I would love to watch a marathon with 12 runners in it.
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Post by funding on Aug 26, 2004 12:30:37 GMT -5
first of all those three hurdlers all met the COC criteria thats why they are there not because of perdita...when mark mckoy was winning the olympics i didn't see it trickle down to any other male hurdlers...when mike smith was doing well in the dec i didn't see any one improve because of it. the fact the COC standard is set the way it is to send elite athletes and i think it is a good idea. we should reward athletes for a good seasom and being at the top level consistently not send athletes thinking they are going to drop 2 tenths of a second.
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Post by guest on Aug 26, 2004 12:41:05 GMT -5
Allen Update!
He made the finals by finishing fourth in the first heat.. another PB of 13.23!!!
1 7 Wignall Maurice JAM 13.17 Q (NR) 0.162
2 4 Liu Xiang CHN 13.18 Q 0.151
3 6 Olijars Stanislavs LAT 13.20 Q (SB) 0.151
4 3 Allen Charles CAN 13.23 Q (PB) 0.150
5 8 Ross Duane USA 13.30 0.157
6 5 Hernández Yoel CUB 13.37 0.174
7 1 Kronberg Robert SWE 13.42 0.124
8 2 Pinnock Chris JAM 13.57 0.196
Close placing to the big guns too!
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Post by Charles Allen on Aug 26, 2004 13:00:38 GMT -5
In your face COC!
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Post by Thumbs up on Aug 26, 2004 13:42:38 GMT -5
Can we consider him a poster boy now??? One of the smallest athletes, yet the biggest heart. Well done CA
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Post by Haller on Aug 26, 2004 14:11:30 GMT -5
first of all those three hurdlers all met the COC criteria thats why they are there not because of perdita...when mark mckoy was winning the olympics i didn't see it trickle down to any other male hurdlers...when mike smith was doing well in the dec i didn't see any one improve because of it. the fact the COC standard is set the way it is to send elite athletes and i think it is a good idea. we should reward athletes for a good seasom and being at the top level consistently not send athletes thinking they are going to drop 2 tenths of a second. To me the problem isn't just that the standards cut down on team size (I don't like that either but I'll get into it afterwards) but several of our athletes have shown that they are spent from chasing those standards and they aren't peaked for the olympics. To make the standards we had good athletes peaking in June and July to make the cut off and a few have not been able to hold their peak (similar to the swimmers). I don't think I need to say much here as it's been said many times, but it also takes away from our young atheltes getting the experience they need to be medal hopes for 2008. |
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Post by healy on Aug 26, 2004 14:39:47 GMT -5
Seeing Charles close so well in the later stages of the race convinces me that he's got a lot more speed in him than his 100m pb indicates... this obviously bodes well for the 4x100 relay! With most medal contenders in the low-38 range (except the US, of course), Allen could be the spark that gets the team onto the podium! GO CHARLES!! GO CANADA!! p.s. funding => why don't you tell Charles that he hasn't had a "good season" now... the last time I checked, the season didn't end before the Olympics; there's this little thing in training called periodization, and it's basic principles dictate that one cannot be at their peak level of performance for an extended period of time and that you must plan accordingly. Given his performance in Athens, it looks like Allen is peaking perfectly, but had it not been for a clause that other athletes don't have the luxury of (i.e., the 4x100 relay pool), Allen would not have had the opportunity to perform at all, let alone set 3 consecutive pb's. How many other athletes would we have seen amazing performances from if they'd been given the opportunity that they should have been given by virtue of their A performances??? (e.g., Joyce, Jennings, Christopher, Niemi, Zelinka, etc). Of course, we'll never know. Not to mention, WTF is the COC thinking by undermining the IAAF anyway?  ?? Hell, even the USA will send any athlete that makes B standard in any event if no one makes A, and do you not agree that the USOC is MUCH more concerned with their image as the absolute best in the world than the COC is? ?? If the COC funded potential olympians at an adequete level, I'd have no problem with their criteria, but this is obviously not the case, and never has been, nor do I think it ever will. Sad, sad, sad. |
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Post by Eldridge on Aug 26, 2004 23:24:45 GMT -5
well hes in the finals now. hes still hitting about 8 of the hurdles. they were saying thats his running style, but if he were get through a clean race i could see him being a serious medal contendor
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Post by johnny ryall on Aug 27, 2004 11:48:05 GMT -5
well hes in the finals now. hes still hitting about 8 of the hurdles. they were saying thats his running style, but if he were get through a clean race i could see him being a serious medal contendor dude you see how short he is? if he jumped all the way above all the hurdles he'd waste too much time, watch good male hurlders, its their style to take out hurdles a bit. anyway, the point of this post was to say i'd love to see charles get a medal and apon crossing the line pull a steve jones and give the COC the middle finger. stevejones4life. |
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Post by SummerDietch on Aug 27, 2004 12:14:47 GMT -5
That'd be putting the ass in class no doubt, Johnny R.
Just finished watching RON MacLean grill a COC official about the fact that Allen wouldn't even be in Athens if it weren't for the 4x100m. It was GREAT! Can't remember the guys name, but he started saying how the COC is running the early numbers and that with the new standards Canada's performance is up 10-15% over last Olympics (whatever that means). Right after buddy said this, MacLean jumps in and yells at the guy saying "but thats only because of Allen!" hahah, It was classic, especially coming from a Hockey night in Canada guy. Just great!!! Ron MacLean for PM
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Post by hurdles on Aug 27, 2004 14:21:08 GMT -5
I have to say I have a new appreciation for other events. After watching the hurdles I see how much more exciting and challenging it is than just running distance. As a distance runner watching this really shows how easy us distance runners have it.
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Post by Ron Fan on Aug 27, 2004 19:38:42 GMT -5
I totally agree with the previous post - Ron is awesome ... but it is sad to think that he and other CBC hosts have to be the ones asking the hard questions
Side Note:
The COC guy you are talking about is actually not a COC guy - but the head coach of Athletics at the Olympics (Alex Gardiner) ... either way he was simply barking the COC party line (how sad)!
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Post by THe AGREEer on Aug 27, 2004 20:27:49 GMT -5
I agree with the guy who says hurdles are awsome. I am a retired sub 4miler(indoor no bank), and I must say after watching the hurdles, I really do realise how easy I had it as a distance runner.
I dont think I stretched a day in my life. imagine how felxible you gotta be for hurdles..Its a tough balance of muscularity, flexibility, talent, speed, strength, co-ordination.
As for Moulton, No the marathon wouldn't be interesting with just 12 runners in it. I have been in road races that were short on entrys and its actually pretty boring. I don't know why you would make such a ridiculous comment.
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Charles Allen is the man
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Post by Charles Allen is the man on Aug 27, 2004 21:29:30 GMT -5
Charles you are awesome. Keep up the good work. You did you country proud.
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Post by Eldridge on Aug 27, 2004 22:25:23 GMT -5
i dont know wut your all talking about. ive run hurdles and am a distance/middle distance runner. in a distance event its all about muscular endurance. in a sprint its over within seconds. its physically demanding yes, but its over so quickly u dont have time to think about the pain your in or going to be in. in a longer distance race ur in pain for a much longer time and u really know it.
im not trying to take anything away from hurdles, but each has its harder points and easier points. there is not one that is really harder than another
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Post by Eldridge on Aug 27, 2004 22:27:43 GMT -5
crap i hit post early.
even tho allen didnt run his best race, he was in with the best in the world which is quite an accomplishment. he wasnt even suppost to b in the event according to the COC so making the finals is a HUGE moment for him and should be taken to heart by the COC in the future.
congrats
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Post by Wiggins on Aug 27, 2004 23:03:44 GMT -5
I think Moulton was being sarcastic with the 12 person marathon being exciting...
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Post by Post race comments on Aug 28, 2004 1:06:45 GMT -5
Did anyone catch Allen's post race comments - he said, although he never made the COC standards, he thinks they serve a purpose - and he has NO PROBLEMS WITH THEM!!!
To me that doesn't make any sense ... according to COC he should have NEVER raced - but because he made a relay team and because he was showing fitness in practice (according to Gardiner) he was given the opportunity to race with the best, helping him become one of the best in the world. Many other athletes would KILL to have this loop-hole opportunity ...
If only there was a 4xHammer throw for Joyce, or a Marathon relay team for Stevenson to make ....
Either way - congrats to Allen on a great Olympics!
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Post by make senseplease on Aug 28, 2004 9:08:48 GMT -5
Yes lets continue to add more boring events such as marathon relays and hammer throw relays..
The simple fact is Allen did not peak for trial or prior because he knew he was in. If he had to peak to make standard before he would have. Allen deserved to go.
Do you really think there is anyone else in Canada in a situation like his that would have made standard? I f*c*ing hate how this board is so distance oriented. 3:40 is not a good international time, nor is 339,338,337. You know what is...332!!
Allen was only fractions of a second off of the standards, he wasn't 8 or 9 seconds. Yes I would like to see more canadians at the olympics but not if they are going to embarrass me and my country when they fail to make it out of the first round time and time again.
So please take your speed goggles off and quit thinking that all these guys that win your local city meets are gods, and keep those goggles off long enough today so that you don't think douma is god. Good runner? Yes...good looking?? Negative
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Post by for shore on Aug 28, 2004 9:15:26 GMT -5
Way to go Charles!
I was thinking the same thing about Charles' comments. Charles said that the standards helped him reach a new level. I dont believe that...I believe he reached a new level because he was able to compete at the Olympics against the best in the world. If the standards were the fator then he would have run faster prior to the Olympics so he could go to the games.
If the COC had kept the standard at 13:55 then he would of been able to go in the hurdles without using the 4x100.
I'm thinking he just didn't want to get any heat for bashing the COC. Sometimes its better to play it safe in thhat situation.
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Post by Realist on Aug 28, 2004 9:34:55 GMT -5
make senseplease, you have many holes in your theories.... First off - was the canadian 4X100 team a shoe in for the Olympics? They were ranked 14th this year with only 16 teams able to go. I wouldn't put my money on that ticket to get me to the games. You say 3:39, 3:38, 3:37 is not competitive at the Olympics. Well, I completely agree. Is 10.24 and 10.28 competitive? Hence the mention of 4X hammer throw... Look at the IAAF scoring tables and see equivalent performances for the 4x100 teams. www.iaaf.org/downloads/scoringTables/index.htmlPierre Brown 10.13 = 3:35.58 Nic Mac 10.20 = 3:37.40 Anson Henry 10.24 = 3:38.43 Richard and Charles 10.28 = 3:39.47 = 8:35 s/c So, the idea thrown out there of other relays was of course a joke but does make a good point. And if you make the comparison our 4x800 team would be better than our 4x100 team. And Carmen Douma is a very nice person and you make a personal attack at her, very mature. Who is not making sense? |
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?? Hell, even the USA will send any athlete that makes B standard in any event if no one makes A, and do you not agree that the USOC is MUCH more concerned with their image as the absolute best in the world than the COC is?