COC Standards

[Is this right]

Is it just me (I doubt it) or is anybody else ticked off that the COC /AC standards are more difficult to meet than the ones set by the IOC/IAAF? This is to say that a certainly will have qualified for the Olympics as far as the IOC is concerned but Canada says that the performance is still not good enough. Combine this with the fact that the ratio of support staff (getting a great vacation) to athletes is huge.
Any thoughts?

[Delisle]

the games themselves will be the measuring stick.
as of right now, I would say I'm not in favour of them, but if they produce results, why fix something that's not broken you know?

if the ioc's standards were the same as the tough coc ones, there'd be a lot less widespread complaining.

another negative is that many deserving athletes, wont even get the experience of the olympics at a younger age and also in sports like triathlon, which are bein tranformed more and more into tour-de-france type team events, guys like simon and brett arent gonna have much help out there in the bike portions whereas other teams may be sendin 6 or 7 athletes. (see USPS domination at tour de france)

[broken record]

man its always been that way, you act like this is news to you...deal with it.

[Is this Right]

I don't think that this is news to anybody but I also don't think that this is something that we should have to "just deal with"
Are we not still ruled byl a democratic government.
You know, at one point I didn't like the idea of Kathy Butler switching National teams but I'm sure there are many athletes who dream of having the support that other countries have (like Britain)

[true]

but we all know this is how it is and we still choose to run...the only way to make money in this sport is to be an international elite athlete...it is our choice instead of complaining we could always realize that maybe some dreams aren't worth catching and move on with our lives, and actually stop going into dept on these teams and leave the running to the athletes making money.

[Alex]

I would look to the IOC raising their standards in the coming years. I was watching something a couple weeks ago on the CBC where they were talking to the IOC prez. and he was talking about being worried about the explosive growth the olympics have had over the years and it is getting to the point where there is a shrinking number of possible host countries for the games. I think that if they really want an African nation to host the games that tougher standards is one way to go and something I'm sure the IOC has and will be considering in the future.

[Catton]

Delisle said:

the games themselves will be the measuring stick.
as of right now, I would say I'm not in favour of them, but if they produce results, why fix something that's not broken you know?

Almost everyone on the Olympic team would be there even if the standards were easier. These are the people who are going to win the medals, so the results will be there. The people who aren't on the team are the ones who, with a small breakthrough that an event like the Olympics can inspire, would be the surprise top 8, top 5, or even medallists (see Simon Whitfield from Sydney). Those shunned are also those who would benefit from attending an event of this magnitude so, next time around, the spectacle that is the Olympics won't be so overwhelming, and they'll be able to focus (see Perdita Felicien).

[guest]

3 parts of the issue:

-->simon whitfield and a couple of others in the last olympics would not have even qualified for the olympics much less won if the standards had been the same.

-->the winter olympic team at the next olympics will not have the same standards applied as this summer olympic team.

-->canada's top marathoner was like 15th ranked and didn't go to an summer games in athens where they were requesting additional marathoners for the historic marathon.

[wide load]

Ya, there are a lot of problems with the Olympic movement. From the standpoint of pure athleticism, for example, how can you compare a stubby softball player to a guy like Phelps? You can't. Why it is that sports like track and swimming suffer, while beerleague baseball players like Rob Ducey, and billionare thuglife gangsters like Allan Iverson take a free ride to Athens is the real question that needs to be answered. People have forgotten what athleticism is. When you have moronicy like synchonized diving and beach volley ball going on at the same time as the marathon, you have clearly perverted the olympic movement beyond recognizability. Beyond this, and I know this thread is about COC standards, so I'll get back to the point, take a look at the Toronto Star today. The front page has a photo of a seperatist judo freak waving the maple leaf, leading a front row of wide load women, smiling and swaying--all on the taxpayer's dime. There's your problem.
Cheers

[Delisle]

Guest-wide said:

take a look at the Toronto Star today. The front page has a photo of a seperatist judo freak waving the maple leaf

i wouldnt diss nicolas gill , he's been to four olympics now and has consistently been the best in the country and one of the best in the world at what he does, and the sport of judo itself shouldnt be criticized, since it takes intense training like any other. the fact that he voted for separation is a non-issue as well, he's an athlete, an athlete who's as deserving of carryin the flag as anyone we have, period.

[sumguy]

I was watching some of the boxing yesterday and they were saying that some of the boxers went to the courts to get in the olympics because they didnt achieve the coc standard but the got the ioc standard. Why didnt nicole stevenson do this?

[this guy]

because the standards were changed on the boxers without the boxers being told untill a year after the fact.

Gill's vote in the referendum was that "yes", quebec should consider sovereinty after having aproached the federal government for a differrent deal of somesort.
It wasn't a cut and dry "yes" for seperation.

[Delisle]

this guy's right.

even if it were a cut and dry yes, who cares.

there are many "separatists" in alberta and also some in BC from my experiences and im sure one or two of them happen to be olympians, probably just olympians who dont get the press gill does. all in all who cares

they all represent canada in the end

[wide load]

Delisle,
you are clearly challenged, so I will attempt to explain in basic terms the concept of a separatist movement. This is when one region or province or group within a nation desires to take on a separate political identity, a separate system of government, a separate flag, national anthem, political culture, etc. In other words, Delisle, they want no part of the country they are part of. They want to be SEPERATE. Having a guy who wants no part of Canada carry our flag at the Olympics is ludicrous. Gill might be a fine judo man, or whatever, but I can see no reason to choose him as flag barer. Surely a more patriotic athlete should have taken the honour.
Cheers,
WL

[this guy]

btw, i think igali should have carried the flag

[wide load]

Sure,
at least he appreciates Canada, and what it means to be Canadian.
WL

[guest]

So you think that we should shun the nearly 50% of quebec's population that voted to separate?

Guest-wide said:

Sure,
at least he appreciates Canada, and what it means to be Canadian.
WL

[Canada]

YES! of course we should shun them...why wouldn't we, they don't want to be Canadian!

[SummerDietch]

Clearly, Gill isn't all that ADAMANT about being a separatist. Wideload, if he didn't want ANYTHING TO DO WITH OUR COUNTRY (as you said), he wouldn't have competed under the Canadian flag (FOR 4 OLYMPICS!!), much less AGREED to carry it in the opening ceremonies. Canada is a great country, and a big reason for that is the fact that, UNLIKE many countries around the world, we as Canadians are allowed to hold differing political opinions, and EXPRESS THEM. Belittling Delisie was not the point of the thread, so ease up.

Now, back to the original thread. Thats complete nonesense about the Winter and Summer Olympics not sharing similar standards. Is this true?

[SHUT IT]

HEY NEIL..why dont you tell everyone you vote for the green party!!!!!!!

you and nikki gill can live happily ever after!!!

[Delisle]

once again, personal attacks take the forefront here.

im not an idiot. in fact, my father was a seperatist back in the levesque days. wideload let me explain something to you, quebec is a land of different culture than the rest of canada. a very different culture that you would clearly notice had you ever visited la belle province. freedom of expression should not be frowned upon, especially if it has a very reasonable cause.

gill is as deserving as any athlete to carry the flag, thats a fact, so let him have his moment and dont belittle him because he has some pride for his culture as well.

[WHOA]

Delisle you moron...you can find a lot of different cultures in almost every country...face the facts gill is a seperatist which means he wants to be seperate from canada. In other words why are u kissing his ass for not wanting to be canadian....you unpatriotic little man

[Delisle]

Guest-whoa said:

you can find a lot of different cultures in almost every country...

exactly, it's unavoidable, so let it be

im not gonna keep bitchin back and forth

[Proud Canadian]

I see other cultures with a country embrace their countries....the quebec separtists are not proud to be canadian and therefore should not be praised for their beliefs or ignore them like delisle thinks...we should stand up and call them for what they are just like they do against the rest of canada and not blow if off as a difference in culture...we're one country...look at the US they are prob the most multi-cultured country and they are prob the most patriotic...

[Delisle]

proud canadian,

you bring up a very good point and theres definitely some truth to that, but other cultures within other countries have not been pushed down and ignored by federal govt. like quebec has been in the past or those other cultures dont wanna stand up against their govt. like the way quebec is willing to do.

there is a valid reason why they want separation, not to say separation would be fully justified but the recent sponsorship scandal is another new example of how they have been neglected, in my opinion

its all opinion, and if we can have a civilized argument about this, thats great, but i wont respond to personal attacks.

[disagree]

Guest-Proud said:

look at the US they are prob the most multi-cultured country and they are prob the most patriotic...

the us patriotism is based in ignorance and arrogance. while they may be multicultural, they certianly don't celebrate that. they promote conformity in the country. go down south and ask someone how they feel about an islamic man embracing his religion and celebrating it by wearing their traditional clothing. i bet you'll get a negative response.
if you sit around and listen to the droves of people listen to forginers and say 'you're in america, speak english dammit,' you would realize how appaling their lack of acceptance is.

[US]

wow...spoken like a Canadian! why would u label everyone in the US based on a few pple. If the US is such a terrible place for foreigners why do they all try and defect there....and despite their 'ignorance' towards other cultures you don't see the seperatist atitude like in canada

[Wide load]

You are right Summerdietch, we shouldn't belittle Delisle. He can't help it if he's stupid. As for Gill, the guy is clearly either a hypocrite, or just as stupid as Delisle. But since being stupid doesn't excuse him from being a hypocrite, we should just wise up and realize that anyone who was a real separatist, like Delisle's old man for instance, would refuse to carry the Canadian flag at the Olympics, since to him that flag is a symbol of his own oppression. This isn't about tolerance or the US and their lack of tolerance. This is about one nation of many taking part in a celebration of nationalities. Unfortunately, our nation choose a person who would have it torn apart to carry its flag in the opening ceremonies. This strikes me as an act not of tolerance, but of stupidity.

And by the way Delisle, the sponsorship scandal, rather than being an example of how hard done by Quebec is, was an example of the great lengths the federal government is willing to go to so as to ensure that Quebec remains part of Canada. The government was illegally funnelling our tax dollars to advertising agencies in Quebec to promote CANADA and how great it is.

Cheers,
WL

[Delisle]

that money was supposed to go into promoting quebecois culture within quebec and that didnt happen hence why the liberals had a tough time in quebec in the last election.
the province didnt benefit at all from what happened, that's a fact. promoting canada in quebec will do little to ensure it remains part of canada.

just because some people may want to separate doesnt mean they should be barred from representing their current country does it? wideload, welcome to the world of freedom of expression, not everythin can go perfectly and i'd appreciate it if you refrained from the personal attacks since there is no need for it. this is a difference of opinion, use your maturity.

[quebec]

I am from Quebec, and Delisle you are a speaking from a minority position, since it was only 48.2% who wanted seperatism last time. however if you weren't 12 at the last election maybe you would have tipped the scales to 48.3. I bet you like playing darts.

Can we put an age restiction on this board for IPs? I think 14 should do it so delisle can't come on. Then Delisle will have too go play bumdarts with nicholas gill to entertain himself.