CIS 4X8

[davidson]

My prediction:

UVic and Guelph battle it out for three legs, with Manitoba hanging on to third, and Windsor right behind. The last leg: McKenzie gets the baton and eats up as much as he can on the leaders, all three anchor runners come off the last turn side by side by side.... the next 50m I will not predict, but all three teams should be under 7:40 and Manitoba shouldbe not much over... look out for Laval as a possible sleeper in this race, but I don't think they will be able to match up with the big 3.

[Dietch]

Question for you CW people...
When was the 4x800m ran at Canwest?
Basically what I want to know is whether all the people from UVIC and MANITOBA were fresh, or had some of them ran previous races that day/weekend.
For the Record, at OUA's, between guelph and Windsor the only person that wasn't fresh was Mckenzie who ran a 1500m
Thanks

[Hutch]

At CanWest the 4x800 was the very last event of the meet. I didn't check it out, but I can only presume that nearly all of the guys on Manitoba and UVic had competed at least once before that.
Here's the schedule link
www.umanitoba.ca/cwtrack2004/schedule.shtml

[Chris Moulton]

One thing to also remember is how fresh will the top teams guys be, the Vikes are definetly going for it pulling their guys from the grand. While Windsor will have McKenzie, Guelph Desourmeaux and Bourke, Manitoba Jerama.

[Bisonrunner]

Just to answer the previuos question, for Manitoba Sheldon had run a 600 2 hours before, as did Cris, Sam ran a 1500 a few hours before hand and the 1000 the day before. Fletcher ran a 1000 the day before. Only 1 of the Manitoba guys was fresh for that race.

Same goes for Uvic I beleive.

If windsor and guelph ran fresh teams and thats as fast as they could go there gonna have a hell of a time chasing down Uvic and Manitoba. Thats just my thoughts atleast.

[donniefromnextdoor]

Bisonrunner said:

If windsor and guelph ran fresh teams and thats as fast as they could go there gonna have a hell of a time chasing down Uvic and Manitoba. Thats just my thoughts atleast.

niether of those teams ran their "A" team dude. with an attitude like that you're gonna get a nice little surprise at CI's.

CI's is a whole new world compared to the meets leading up to it.

[Manowar]

Sheldon could we refer to that as your unbiased opinion? Donnie is right, CIS is a whole new beast and the Gryphs and Lancers will be in the mix, Guelph has 4 guys who have broken 2:30, Manitoba has one, the Vikes have 2 (i think) and Windsor has Mckenzie (who has run 5 seconds faster than anyone else, so he pulls all his teammates, Ellis, Coates,etc. under 2:30).

[KCSINNER]

I wouldn't count out the U of S Relay team. The top 2 guys on the team had subpar performances. Scobie accidentally kicked on his third lap and ran a 35 second final 200m. McCormick, who is a 1:54 runner, only ran 2:01 because of the numerous races he was in. The other two runners, ran 1:56 and 1:57. Scobie would've ran at least 3-4 seconds faster and I know for sure McCormick will run 3-4 seconds at CI's

[Bisonrunner]

First off that was not sheldons comments. That was my Bias opinion just like EVERYONE elses opinions on here alright. I was mearly stating that IF guelph..which im pretty sure they did..and windsor..which im not sure of ran thier A team's all being fresh and ran what they did then its gonna be hard for them to take down Uvic and Manitoba who both ran teams who had competed in other random events that day. Like the sask guy stated none of the CW schools ran fresh teams..mccormick looked like he was tired and well scobie looked horrible(no offence bud).

Either way I beleive its gonna come down to Uvic,Manitoba and Guelph with Windsor trying to catch up.

-Jon

[AlmostSilver]

Just curious who's running for each school and what their 800 (or equivalent using mercier tables) is this season. Might be interesting to see which team is officially best on paper.

[JustSomeDude]

i'm sure you are smart enough to take some guesses by finding the sporting canada rankings, and playing with the mercier scoring table yourself.

someone posted this a while ago. it should give you an idea.


windsor
mckenzie 1:18:66/2:23.99
pye 1:22.71/2:30.42
ellis 2:31.22
coates 2:31.60
-----------------------------
savard 2:32.57

guelph
bourke 1:21.63/2:28.93
armitage 1:21.22/2:29.77
desormeaux 2:29.13
dunbrack 2:29.35
-------------------------------
straw 1:22.92

victoria
babiuk 1:52.28/2:28.18
kennedy 1:20.21/1:52.62
saqui 1:53.18
henderson 1:20.81
--------------------------------
lehman 1:55.73

[davidson]

Ok, so I took those times, converted them all to 800's and took everyone's best times and added them all up. Obviously this has the potential to be way way off as the tracks were all different, conditions were different (i.e. in a pack, leading, etc), and I only took the ones that were posted above. This is what I got on paper, anything can happen come race day. If someone could do this for Manitoba that'd probably be good.... oh man, I should be studying instead!

windsor
mckenzie 1:18:66/2:23.99 1:50.87 or 1:51.08
pye 1:22.71/2:30.42 1:56.56 or 1:56.04
ellis 2:31.22 1:56.65
coates 2:31.60 1:56.94
-----------------------------
savard 2:32.57

Total: 7:40.50

guelph
bourke 1:21.63/2:28.93 1:55.05 or 1:54.89
armitage 1:21.22/2:29.77 1:54.47 or 1:55.53
desormeaux 2:29.13 1:55.04
dunbrack 2:29.35 1:55.21
-------------------------------
straw 1:22.92

Total: 7:39.61

victoria
babiuk 1:52.28/2:28.18 1:54.31
kennedy 1:20.21/1:52.62 1:53.05
saqui 1:53.18
henderson 1:20.81 1:53.89
--------------------------------
lehman 1:55.73

Total: 7:31.61

[Runningfiend]

This is all BS and you guys know it. I mean please, the U of M being competitive at CIS? Are you crazy? Lets look at the Glory days and yes, maybe then, but the days of Goodwin are gone.

It's going to be UVIC, Windsor and Guelph in the end for sure, the other teams (Mainly Toba) just don't have the skill or the talent. good guys? yes? Good runners? meh.

[Chris Moulton]

Mike to be fair though all the UVIC times were run on Dempsey which is without question the fastest track in North America. Also Bourke has run 1:21.26. I hope UVIC does run 7:31, but I would be very very suprised.

[davidson]

Chris, I completely agree with you... Dempsey is fast, but I think a lot of the fast Windsor and Guelph times were also run on fast tracks. Weren't most of those times from Meyo? I don't know who will run what, I think it will be much closer than what that "simulation" shows... it comes down to who is the best on the day...

[Dietch]

A good point Moults. A few things to remember/ask.
Is Mckenzie going to run 1:51 high with all the marbles on the table, considering he has gone 1:49 before? Is Armitage sick, or is that just a precise adjective to pin on his OUA 600? I know he has ran 1:21 this year, but that was at Penn which isn't exactly a slow track.

I think Toba deserves some credit here. 7:45 isn't a time to balk at. I'm not saying its going to get gold at CIS, but don't be so quick to throw these guys away just yet.
Should a favourite need to be chosen based on this season results so far, it would likely be UVIC.
But just remember...you heard it here first....
WINDSOR ISN'T A ONE MAN SHOW
and sadly, I think thats what many of you are forgetting.

Regardless, I can't wait to watch this go down.