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Post by xc4ever on Nov 3, 2009 21:25:17 GMT -5
What is the top association Past and Present why is your association the best back it up dont just write nonsense I think Cossa is defenitly a top three Past and Present
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Post by loverunning on Nov 3, 2009 21:27:28 GMT -5
Currently I`d say SWOSSAA definitely should be considered as the top association.
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Post by justlikepre on Nov 3, 2009 21:29:36 GMT -5
LOSSA ftw.
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Post by abrown on Nov 3, 2009 21:57:34 GMT -5
I enjoy the fact that you said to back it up and then followed that with: "Cossa is definitely top three"
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Post by thefuture on Nov 3, 2009 22:03:10 GMT -5
for witch age group or are yu talkin about every age group?
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Post by gtown on Nov 3, 2009 22:21:16 GMT -5
Present - no idea, though the West region usually dominates, so either of SWOSSA, WOSSA, or CWOSSA is always a safe bet.
Past - At least for men, it's hard to believe that any other association can boast an all-time team comparable to CWOSSA:
Kevin Sullivan (North Park, Brantford)
Matt Kerr (Centre Wellington, Fergus)
Nate Brannen (Preston, Cambridge)
Kurt Benninger (Walkerton)
5th man - Doug Consiglio
(off the top of my head...I know other people on this forum can come up with a better CWOSSA team, I'm just a little short on history pre-90s)
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Post by coachfaulds on Nov 3, 2009 22:54:19 GMT -5
What is the top association Past and Present why is your association the best back it up dont just write nonsense I think Cossa is defenitly a top three Past and Present I wouldn't give COSSA a top rating all time. There have been a lot of good runners come out of COSSA but not very many OFSAA individual champions in XC compared to other regions. It used to be a much more competitive region when the LOSSA crowd from Pickering and Oshawa were part of COSSA back in the 70s and 80s. Centennial is the only team from Bay of Quinte that I can remember winning an OFSAA gold and that was back around 1990 or 1991. |
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Post by pmac on Nov 3, 2009 22:59:02 GMT -5
What is the top association Past and Present why is your association the best back it up dont just write nonsense I think Cossa is defenitly a top three Past and Present I hope you run for as long as your sentences do. |
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Post by 09 on Nov 3, 2009 23:08:18 GMT -5
Just when I've been in High School EOSSAA has had some pretty crazy runners. Leeder, Milks, Jacob Smith and Woodfine alone is an amazing line up. Not to mention the dominant TISS team year after year.
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Post by Young Pratticus on Nov 3, 2009 23:39:05 GMT -5
It's definitely NOSSA
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Post by syphon on Nov 4, 2009 2:14:12 GMT -5
In the past 4 or 5 years? Probably swossaa...
You have entirety of Massey, which has won OFSAA for what, 4 years in a row? Then great individuals besides Massey in Janikowski, the Malettes, (and a few other Assumption runners), Meaghan Marton, Ryan Sleimann now, etc.
Last year they placed 8 runners in the top 10 at ofsaa, and lots of others in the top 20.
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Post by lukesteer93 on Nov 4, 2009 10:16:32 GMT -5
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Post by dunbartonjuniorboy on Nov 4, 2009 17:51:41 GMT -5
For this year, I think you'd have to go with LOSSA.
MB- Mathew Stephenson, majority predicting him to come 3rd at OFSAA behind Sleiman and Messina,,,,, Pickering team should do well at OFSAA
JB- 3 of the top 10 runners in Ontario in Kirkup, Moyer and Thibert,,, 4th and 5th place runners should also do well
Teams Dunbarton and Dwyer were 6th and 7th at Pre OFSAA
SB- Boychuk (and X if he made it )top 10 Esselink, Darlington top 20
Pickering and Mclaughlin would both be top 4 teams if they were healthy, Courtice will finish top 10 to replace Pickering
Hard to argue with that
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Post by henry25 on Nov 4, 2009 18:48:56 GMT -5
For this year, I think you'd have to go with LOSSA. MB- Mathew Stephenson, majority predicting him to come 3rd at OFSAA behind Sleiman and Messina,,,,, Pickering team should do well at OFSAA JB- 3 of the top 10 runners in Ontario in Kirkup, Moyer and Thibert,,, 4th and 5th place runners should also do well Teams Dunbarton and Dwyer were 6th and 7th at Pre OFSAA SB- Boychuk (and X if he made it )top 10 Esselink, Darlington top 20 Pickering and Mclaughlin would both be top 4 teams if they were healthy, Courtice will finish top 10 to replace Pickering Hard to argue with that i would hope dunbartonjuniorboy wouldn't be a little biased would he? lol but seriously i completely agree, my school's junior boys team is pretty solid and i think they will be top 10 at OFSAA. SB is also a pretty strong field of guys |
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Post by waterlooxc on Nov 4, 2009 18:56:41 GMT -5
Present - no idea, though the West region usually dominates, so either of SWOSSA, WOSSA, or CWOSSA is always a safe bet. Past - At least for men, it's hard to believe that any other association can boast an all-time team comparable to CWOSSA: Kevin Sullivan (North Park, Brantford) Matt Kerr (Centre Wellington, Fergus) Nate Brannen (Preston, Cambridge) Kurt Benninger (Walkerton) 5th man - Kyle Boorsma (Centennial, Guelph) (off the top of my head...I know other people on this forum can come up with a better CWOSSA team, I'm just a little short on history pre-90s) that about sums it up. ofsaa is basically a cwossa after party. you could also throw in there last years 3rd and 4th at ofsaa respectively Soh and Sho Ikram. |
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Post by lukesteer93 on Nov 4, 2009 18:58:58 GMT -5
my favourite is when the people doing the results make a typo and give them the same name
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Post by dunbartonjuniorboy on Nov 5, 2009 16:39:14 GMT -5
For this year, I think you'd have to go with LOSSA. MB- Mathew Stephenson, majority predicting him to come 3rd at OFSAA behind Sleiman and Messina,,,,, Pickering team should do well at OFSAA JB- 3 of the top 10 runners in Ontario in Kirkup, Moyer and Thibert,,, 4th and 5th place runners should also do well Teams Dunbarton and Dwyer were 6th and 7th at Pre OFSAA SB- Boychuk (and X if he made it )top 10 Esselink, Darlington top 20 Pickering and Mclaughlin would both be top 4 teams if they were healthy, Courtice will finish top 10 to replace Pickering Hard to argue with that i would hope dunbartonjuniorboy wouldn't be a little biased would he? lol but seriously i completely agree, my school's junior boys team is pretty solid and i think they will be top 10 at OFSAA. SB is also a pretty strong field of guys I think everyones pretty biased about there own region because we all like to think that our association meet is the hardest in Ontario and thats why we did so poorly |
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Post by speedyjh on Nov 5, 2009 20:54:34 GMT -5
it terms of track ....i don't think anything will beat central region
im the 3 degroot denault dillon esselink boychuck xavier....1500 is the same.....last year the junior boys were seeded 1 2 3 4 going into ofsaa 3000m then with the likesof eamon moyer .... its a tough go
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Post by runningwizard on Nov 5, 2009 22:02:41 GMT -5
are u guys on crack???
West is the strongest, namely wossa, swossa, and cwossaa most years.
EOSSAA is top 5 or 6
Cossa the strongest??? In track, they barely squeeze 1 person in the top 6 in track against eossaa and ncssaa for regionals?
COSSAA the strongest in xc? they might be top 10 of 20 associations?? MAYBE.
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Post by gtown on Nov 5, 2009 23:24:30 GMT -5
I find it mildly funny that they're discussing this like it's even up for debate. Just to update on the greatness of CWOSSA, I forgot to include Doug Consiglio, which I've been told by more informed people, bumps Boorsma down to the B-team. MAYBE there is another association that can field an all-time team that wouldn't lose too bad to the CWOSSA B-team, but that's even a stretch:
Kyle Boorsma
Adam Hortian
Steve Bendo
Cleve Thorson
Anthony Lokinyen
Keep in mind that these guys haven't been mentioned in the CWOSSA top 10 all-time men: Soh and Sho Ikram, Wes Alkin, Mike Del Monte, Mark Dalgarno, Rob Jackson...again, this is just off the top of my head, I know I'm missing A LOT.
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Post by rez on Nov 6, 2009 11:50:19 GMT -5
there is no competition in this question. cwossa takes it easily with all the guys mentioned in the previous posts and still missing a guy like derek nakluski,gerry groothuis and current runners like jordan collison,andrew belanger,abdu zaghlol,jon martin,gavin shields and some really strong midgets this year. cwossa always has stud runners both past and present and is always one of the toughest regions to come out of in both xc and track especially when you combine it with the strength of the ofsaa west region as a whole.
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Post by Haller on Nov 6, 2009 12:03:53 GMT -5
I find it mildly funny that they're discussing this like it's even up for debate. Just to update on the greatness of CWOSSA, I forgot to include Doug Consiglio, which I've been told by more informed people, bumps Boorsma down to the B-team. MAYBE there is another association that can field an all-time team that wouldn't lose too bad to the CWOSSA B-team, but that's even a stretch: Kyle Boorsma Adam Hortian Steve Bendo Cleve Thorson Anthony Lokinyen Keep in mind that these guys haven't been mentioned in the CWOSSA top 10 all-time men: Soh and Sho Ikram, Wes Alkin, Mike Del Monte, Mark Dalgarno, Rob Jackson...again, this is just off the top of my head, I know I'm missing A LOT. Cal Staples, Jason Weppler as well. Fair number of decent girls also (Carmen Douma, Lindsey Carson, McClure sisters, Arnell twins, Megan Brown, all the Lourdes girls, etc.) |
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Post by oldster on Nov 6, 2009 14:53:42 GMT -5
Going back to at least the 70s, the region encompassing Brantford, Hamilton/Burlington/TO's western edge, and K-W has been the "Rift Valley" not only of Ontario, but of all of Canada. Not that I can explain it, but it's beyond dispute. For instance, if your mile and 5k p.b.s were 14:00 and 4:00, you'd barely crack the all-time top 15 for this little region. And, of course, most of these people were at least decent high schoolers. It's similar, although not quite as crazy, on the women's side.
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Post by oldbones on Nov 6, 2009 15:42:25 GMT -5
so the factors in this anomaly are what?
secret water/beets?
geography/environmental?
socio-economic?
genetics?
"sport" infrastructure(availability to) ?
policy/programs/systems?
Why?
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Post by im on Nov 6, 2009 15:43:17 GMT -5
Cant have Steve Bendo listed without high school teammate Matt Kerr. Those guys went one two in OFSAA cross country.
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Post by gtown on Nov 6, 2009 16:47:08 GMT -5
Cant have Steve Bendo listed without high school teammate Matt Kerr. Those guys went one two in OFSAA cross country. Please see my post on page 1, with my CWOSSA A-team. I consider Kerr to be the #2 man behind Sullivan. |
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Post by southwest on Nov 7, 2009 21:29:54 GMT -5
From today's results, SWOSSAA looks pretty good for the present top association - 4 team titles and one individual title.
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Post by bornrunner on Nov 7, 2009 21:31:39 GMT -5
amen to that
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Post by runnerdude on Nov 7, 2009 21:35:40 GMT -5
NSSAF.
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Post by bystander on Nov 7, 2009 21:37:43 GMT -5
14 associations (out of 18) got medals (Team and Individual) - 36 total medals.
6 medals = SWOSSA (2 Individual & 4 Team) 4 Team Gold/Ind 1G&1S
6 medals = SOSSA (1 Individual & 5 Team) 4 Team Silver&1Bronze / 1 Ind Bronze
3 medals = NCSSAA (3 Individual) 2 Gold & 1Silver
3 medals = CWOSSA (2 Individual & 1 Team) Team B/ Ind 1G&1B
3 medals = LOSSA (2 Individual & 1 Team) Team Gold / Ind S&B
3 medals = WOSSA (1 Individual & 2 Teams) Team 2 Bronze /Ind Gold
2 medals = GBSSAA ( 2 Individual) Ind Silver & Bronze
2 medals = YRAA (1 Individual & 1 Team) Team Gold/ Ind Gold
2 medals = TDSSAA (1 Individual & 1 Team) Team Bronze & Ind Silver
2 medals = NEOSSA ( 2 Team) Team Silver & Bronze
1 medal = GHAC (1 Individual) Ind Bronze
1 medal = NOSSA (1 Individual) Ind Bronze
1 medal = NWOSSA (1 Individual) Ind Silver
1 medal = EOSSA (1 Team) Team Silver
None for ROPSSAA, CISSAA, TDCAA, COSSAA
Regions:
West - 7 Team & 5 Ind = 12 medals (7 Gold, 1 Silver, 4 Bronze)
Central - 2 Team & 5 Ind = 7 medals (3 Gold, 2 Silver, 2 Bronze)
South - 5 Team & 2 Ind = 7 medals (4 Silver, 3 Bronze)
East - 1 Team & 3 Ind = 4 medals (2 Gold, 2 Silver)
North - 2 Team & 2 Ind = 4 medals (2 Silver, 2 Bronze)
Metro - 1 Team & 1 Ind = 2 medals (1 Silver, 1 Bronze)
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