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Post by ronb on Apr 26, 2010 10:30:00 GMT -5
Does anyone know if Simon Bairu is getting ready to have a go at Jeff Schiebler's National record in the 10000 metres (27:36.01)? It's a pretty good record, but I think if Simon gets in the right race, it's possible... Does anyone know if we are even keeping National Records any more, in events longer than 1500 metres?  |
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Post by isaachunt on Apr 26, 2010 10:36:25 GMT -5
Ron, its not difficult to keep the records if they never get beat'n.
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Post by Chris Moulton on Apr 26, 2010 11:32:42 GMT -5
Simon said on April 1st on his twitter that he would be taking a run at it this weekend at Stanford "Took a nice mental break after worlds, time 2 refocus. a month till Stanford 10k and its my only crack this year @ the 10k National Record!" He is entered in a loaded field www.sml1.com/recordtiming/stanford/pjc10/pjc10_accepted.htm |
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Post by ronb on Apr 26, 2010 12:18:55 GMT -5
Ron, its not difficult to keep the records if they never get beat'n. Aha, good point ! Perhaps you have uncovered a covert plan by AC and friends. The ongoing withdrawal of support from distance running, will help to keep the records static, and then even more support can be withdrawn, and so on, ad infinitum... And then we can support all those other events where Canadian records are being continually smashed....or not so much... P.S. Go Simon !!! |
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Post by isaachunt on Apr 26, 2010 16:43:21 GMT -5
When the records were being broken in the 80's exactly how much government support did Doug's group get? It seemed fairly grass roots. Your group was fairly grass roots. a club, a coach and some great runners. It was a lifestyle and that is what is needed again. Yes we have lost some talent to other sports but all it really needs is a club a passionate coach and a great group of athletes that have made this their life sport. It sounds simple but a training environment is the key. Build that environment and they will come. From all over the country, as in Doug's case.
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Post by heintz on Apr 26, 2010 17:05:34 GMT -5
since early april,his workouts have been awesome sooo it verywell could evolve into a record
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Post by isaachunt on Apr 26, 2010 17:14:04 GMT -5
Go Simon. Its about time the record got beat'n.
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Post by ronb on Apr 26, 2010 18:17:55 GMT -5
When the records were being broken in the 80's exactly how much government support did Doug's group get? It seemed fairly grass roots. Your group was fairly grass roots. a club, a coach and some great runners. It was a lifestyle and that is what is needed again. Yes we have lost some talent to other sports but all it really needs is a club a passionate coach and a great group of athletes that have made this their life sport. It sounds simple but a training environment is the key. Build that environment and they will come. From all over the country, as in Doug's case. Yes, I agree --- good training environment, a passionate coach, and ability to get to good races, will motivate a lot of potentially very good distance runners to locate to a positive situation. A few of the things we had in the 1980's, especially in B.C., was an organized system that was highly supportive (not just financially) of athletes and coaches who wanted to be involved in "high performance" distance running. And every other level of distance running, by the way, just to be clear. We had a number of excellent groups, and organized a number of excellent racing opportunities, and the depth and excellence of the program thrived with those incentives. Of course, we also had a National Cross Country Program, which included a very competitive Trials Race in Victoria every February during the 1980's and early 1990's, and gave a lot of our distance runners the incentive to be very aerobically fit in early February. And then a lot of these runners either went on to race at the World X-C Championships at the end of March and/or had developed a great base for a successful spring and summer track season... Of course, we had support for the Cross-Country Team from AC/government funding, also support for the co-ordination of the "system", and many more carded distance runners than currently. So there was more financial support, but, as you have correctly identified, that was not the driving factor --- it was just good support to have along the way... |
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Post by eight-hundred on Apr 26, 2010 22:56:33 GMT -5
also read that Galen Rupp will take a shot at the American record held by Meb Keflezighi in 27:13.98 www.oregonlive.com/trackandfield/index.ssf/2010/04/oregon_track_field_galen_rupp_3.htmlI assume there will also be a pacemaker for Rupp or Simon. Either way, the pace will be much faster than the Canadian record. I think Simon will go sub 27:30. Also noticed Dylan Wykes is in the field, anyone know what mark he is looking for? Not to turn this into a general thread about Payton Jordan, but its worth mentioning Matt Brunsting , Alex Genest, Rob Watson and Chris Winter are entered in the steeplechase. |
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Post by eight-hundred on May 2, 2010 0:12:47 GMT -5
Simon is on 27:20 pace with 6 laps to go! and Rupp on pace for American record
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Post by eight-hundred on May 2, 2010 0:18:44 GMT -5
Solinsky gets the American Record 26:59!
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Post by eight-hundred on May 2, 2010 0:19:20 GMT -5
Bairu under 27:30 Canadian Record!!!!
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Post by oldbones on May 2, 2010 0:22:15 GMT -5
Got to give Rupp credit ... he paced entire pack after rabbit left ... only to give Chris the record.
Great race for Simon.
So three records in this race?
American, NCAA, Canadian?
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Post by feens on May 2, 2010 0:23:44 GMT -5
What an amazing race to watch. So exciting. Schumacher is certainly doing some good work over there in Oregon.
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Post by lambert on May 2, 2010 2:17:12 GMT -5
What a great race!
Event 21 Men 10000 Meter Run Kim McDonald
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Name Year School Finals
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Finals
1 Chris Solinsky Nike/Kimbia 26:59.60
2 Daniel Salel Kenya 27:07.85
3 Sam Chelanga Liberty 27:08.39
4 Galen Rupp Nike 27:10.74
5 Simon Bairu Nike/Kimbia 27:23.63
6 Chris Thompson Otc 27:29.61
7 Tim Nelson Nike/Kimbia 27:31.56
8 Robert Curtis Melbourne Tr 27:33.38
9 Kensuke Takezawa S&B 27:55.02
10 Carlos Romero Mexico 27:57.52
11 Takeshi Makabe Kanebo 27:57.53
12 Scott Bauhs Adidas 28:03.99
13 Brent Vaughn Nike/Kimbia 28:05.33
14 Boaz Cheboiywo Kimbia 28:06.60
15 Brett Gotcher Adidas 28:09.21
16 Chris Barnicle New Mexico 28:10.59
17 Andy Vernon Adidas 28:11.43
18 Shawn Forrest Melbourne Tr 28:12.48
19 Jason Hartmann Nike/Kimbia 28:25.99
20 Patrick Smyth Nike 28:33.14
21 David Jankowski Zap Fitness 28:34.27
22 Sean Quigley Puma/Kimbia 28:37.85
23 Brian Medigovich Unattached 28:40.54
24 Josh Moen Team Usa Mn/Strands 28:43.27
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Post by mim244 on May 2, 2010 2:56:28 GMT -5
Well done Simon! A great day for Canadian athletics!!!  |
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Post by feens on May 2, 2010 19:45:48 GMT -5
An interesting tidbit I just read: apparently both the old American record (Meb) and the old Canadian record (Schiebler) were set in the same race as well.
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Post by champion on May 2, 2010 19:54:40 GMT -5
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Post by ronb on May 2, 2010 20:29:19 GMT -5
Thanks for linking that, champ... I hope that anyone who cares about the past, present, and future of Canadian distance running, takes the time to head over there, and offer a comment on that thread.... I think this could be a game-changer. Thanks Simon, and thanks Mr. Gardiner for revealing the absolute and total ignorance of Athletics Canada ! Yes, I do care about this stuff...  |
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Post by Nathaniel A. Carter on May 2, 2010 20:42:39 GMT -5
Ron's comments are absolutely on the mark. My Public Affairs Officer would NEVER let me make a comment that indicated that I had no idea what was going on in any part of my organization.
As disappointed as I am with Gardiner's comments, it's also indicative that distance athletes are not receiving effective leadership and representaton by the event group rep. I know that a lot of people were excited when Thelma Wright was named as the Endurance National Event Group Coach. She is passionate about the sport and was thought to be a breath of fresh air that would be more than just another person kowtowing to the AthCan bureaucracy.
Since she was appointed, Canadian distance runners have seen Int'l X-Country all but scrapped at the senior level, and opportunities for up and coming athletes eliminated. Where's the advocacy!?! Where's the fight? At a minimum, the job of the Event Group Coach should be to keep the Head Coach in the loop if his situational awareness is lacking. Obviously, this isn't happening. If the endurance group won't defend it's own turf, then who at AthCan is going to represent their interests? it's pretty obvious where Gardiner's loyalties lie.
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Post by Bomba on May 2, 2010 21:02:45 GMT -5
....Mr Carter.....careful not too assume (like I've never assumed before). The one thing I would agree with you about is the bureacracy that one must deal with, but it takes a creative person to be a part of, yet still be able to get around said bureacracy. I would argue that Thelma has the ability to do both things.....
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Post by subfour on May 2, 2010 22:36:35 GMT -5
And in all of this this let's not miss that Simon's Canadian record is also the B carding standard!!!  |
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Post by slamer on May 3, 2010 0:33:55 GMT -5
And in all of this this let's not miss that Simon's Canadian record is also the B carding standard!!! I think you need to be below the world record for the A standard... twice... within a month of each other. |
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Post by ronb on May 3, 2010 10:09:17 GMT -5
....Mr Carter.....careful not too assume (like I've never assumed before). The one thing I would agree with you about is the bureacracy that one must deal with, but it takes a creative person to be a part of, yet still be able to get around said bureacracy. I would argue that Thelma has the ability to do both things..... One more thing you need, bomber... Cajones - big ones... If you really believe you are doing the right thing, or have the right plan, for the athletes and coaches in the events that you represent, then you need to be willing to take your fight to the wall, regardless of what your "boss" thinks. We have some good people, who have become much too complacent and satisfied (some would say fat and lazy) in their jobs, simply because they don't want to lose their jobs. Of course, we can understand it, but we still need to have somone who will fight for the distance runners and their coaches. We don't have that at the moment. |
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