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Post by lukesteer93 on Apr 14, 2010 16:36:49 GMT -5
That's not an statement of ignorance. Theres obviously quick runners coming from northern regions (Proudfoot for example) but the kind of times athletes have to run to qualify for OFSAA don't compare to the toughest associations, let alone the toughest regions. Last year at in the SB 3000m (correct me if I'm wrong), they had the 8th and 21st place finishers. The Central Region, on the other hand, went 4, 6, 9 and 10. Again, I;m not saying they don't produce good runners, I'm just saying the north is not as deep as other regions. I understand geography comes into play, who wants to drive 100's of kms for meets? Just don't excuse posts as ignorant juvenilia without looking at the results. In the north we have less people which means less people who do track, less people who are availible to coach and less people who are willing to put the time into going to meets and what not. As it is true that the north has less depth than th south if you look at the population difference... theres more people in Toronto than there is in all the north so i believe the statement that the north creates weak runners is an ignorant comment and is getting quite old. I understand that there are less coaches and resources in the north. I never said they were equal to those of southern regions. The fact remains, as limestonemiler said, that the regions are created to be of equal size. Of these equal sized regions, the north does not produce the same amount of quality runners, and the times you have to run to qualify for OFSAA are not as fast as southern regions. However, many quality runners such as Andrew Nixon and Ross Proudfoot are northern boys. The fact that you automatically assume my claims are ignorant, is ignorant in its own right. You haven't looked at the readily available evidence, and you're just giving me the "i'm tired of people ripping on the north" spiel. I'm not ripping on the north, I'm saying it is not as hard to make OFSAA from the north as it is to make it form another region. End of story.
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Post by nixon on Apr 14, 2010 17:06:02 GMT -5
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Post by bg16 on Apr 14, 2010 17:54:27 GMT -5
In the north we have less people which means less people who do track, less people who are availible to coach and less people who are willing to put the time into going to meets and what not. As it is true that the north has less depth than th south if you look at the population difference... theres more people in Toronto than there is in all the north so i believe the statement that the north creates weak runners is an ignorant comment and is getting quite old. I understand that there are less coaches and resources in the north. I never said they were equal to those of southern regions. The fact remains, as limestonemiler said, that the regions are created to be of equal size. Of these equal sized regions, the north does not produce the same amount of quality runners, and the times you have to run to qualify for OFSAA are not as fast as southern regions. However, many quality runners such as Andrew Nixon and Ross Proudfoot are northern boys. The fact that you automatically assume my claims are ignorant, is ignorant in its own right. You haven't looked at the readily available evidence, and you're just giving me the "i'm tired of people ripping on the north" spiel. I'm not ripping on the north, I'm saying it is not as hard to make OFSAA from the north as it is to make it form another region. End of story. I understand that it clearly is easier to qualify for OFSAA if you are from the North, (i.e you don't have to run as fast to make it out of the north as you do from another region). However the ignorant part of your comment was that the north has "silly/easy qualifying standards." What I'm simply saying is qualifying procedure is not as much "silly" as it logical, because it makes no sense to have one North Region meet, where some one would have to drive 10 hours for one race (especially if you know you are not going to make OFSAA in the first place). However it is still the top guys from the region that goes. If four guys out of the North region are all slower than 4 guys out of the West region (which is definitely not always the case) then so be it. It still seems like the most fair way to qualify and is by no means silly.
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Post by lukesteer93 on Apr 14, 2010 18:03:52 GMT -5
You should read my post again. It isn't silly/easy qualifying standards. It's silly easy qualifying standards. 'Silly' is modifying 'easy' (not to mention was intended light heartedly). I wan't saying the system they have in the north is "silly" at all, I understand how the population in the north is anything but dense. I was saying that it's silly that the qualifying standards (i.e. the times you need to run in order to be top 4 and qualify) are easier than those in other regions. Next time, read what I'm saying before you label me as ignorant.
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Post by lukesteer93 on Apr 14, 2010 18:04:26 GMT -5
The only point I was ever trying to express was that it is easier to qualify from the north than another region
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Post by bg16 on Apr 14, 2010 18:08:41 GMT -5
Well if you are going to get technical than I believe it should read "silly, easy qualifying standards." With simply a space between the two words it clearly can be interpreted several different ways. Maybe next time you can be more clear in what you're trying to say. Although, I'm not an English major.
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Post by lukesteer93 on Apr 14, 2010 18:14:05 GMT -5
If you felt the clarity of my post was in question, why automatically assume I was bashing the north? Anyway, it's not important. Back to making preds
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Post by bg16 on Apr 14, 2010 18:18:56 GMT -5
Well the clarity of the post didn't come into question until you explained what you were intending to say. Before that point I simply assumed what you were trying to say was what I thought you were saying and therefore there it wasn't unclear...if that makes any sense.
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Post by F.T on Apr 14, 2010 18:19:12 GMT -5
anyone have results from the Marcellinus Early Bird Meet? There still not up on trackdatabase, just wondering if anyone had any info on how it went.. it looked like a pretty big meet based on the number of athletes
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Post by lukesteer93 on Apr 14, 2010 18:25:53 GMT -5
Well the clarity of the post didn't come into question until you explained what you were intending to say. Before that point I simply assumed what you were trying to say was what I thought you were saying and therefore there it wasn't unclear...if that makes any sense. yah. no worries
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Post by bg16 on Apr 14, 2010 18:52:28 GMT -5
truce. Also, I think this is evan esselink's year in the 3k.
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Post by lukesteer93 on Apr 14, 2010 19:00:27 GMT -5
i would not underestimate any of the sydenham boys. they went 8:41, 42, 43 in mid feb. and it's a good thing for esselink that tristan won't be there.
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Post by wottlecap on Apr 14, 2010 19:53:10 GMT -5
Sydenham? Pfft.
Xavier is the one to watch. 15:05 on the road is flying!
Plus if the 3 Musketeer's best showing at the NSIC 5000m was a Matumbo-aided 15:30, they'll for sure have their hands full come London.
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Post by miletime on Apr 14, 2010 20:56:31 GMT -5
the so called 3 musketeers probably just had a bad run. the 8 40 low indoor times are impressive. i wouldnt just count them out yet.
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Post by lukesteer93 on Apr 14, 2010 21:06:48 GMT -5
wottlecap, asselstine led through 4200 and dropped out, had a difficult time managing himself. O Sully didn't fare too badly. According to my facebook news feed, archer splits faster times in tempo runs. We'll see what goes down, the times aren't always the only story
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Post by oldbones on Apr 15, 2010 10:09:51 GMT -5
This is Xavier's year ... his xc season was not so hot due to sickness etc.
He has a sub 8:30-8:25 performance in him ... ez.
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Post by dr1500 on Apr 15, 2010 20:10:57 GMT -5
anyone have results from the Marcellinus Early Bird Meet? There still not up on trackdatabase, just wondering if anyone had any info on how it went.. it looked like a pretty big meet based on the number of athletes Here are some results: 400m- Alistair Moona 47.70 (apparently) 1500m- Jake Wanuch 4:14 3000m- Eric Labelle 9:08
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Post by hammercrazy on Apr 18, 2010 20:16:18 GMT -5
Shot Put (sr. girls) - Rayann Chin (gr 11)
Shot Put (sr. boys) - Drew Welch
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Post by lukesteer93 on Apr 18, 2010 21:56:47 GMT -5
I forgot that this was a field forum too.
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Post by hammercrazy on Apr 18, 2010 23:27:51 GMT -5
The T in TnFnorth does seem to be emphasized a fair bit. To each their own!! lol
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Post by hammercrazy on Apr 19, 2010 18:07:10 GMT -5
Jordan Young WILL win Sr Boys Discus. He hit 57m at the St. Marcellinius meet. He is in grade 11, and only been throwing for about 2.5 years I believe! Although he was at World Youth last year! (and again this year I would suspect!)
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Post by F.T on Apr 19, 2010 19:24:55 GMT -5
well... perhaps you should make a thread titled throw preds, seeing as this one is titled track preds...
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Post by speedgoggles on Apr 19, 2010 19:36:02 GMT -5
More importantly, is there a thrower's equivalent to speed goggles??!?! as in... "Hey sexy, you can throw pretty far... wanna toss me around for a bit?" No really.. I want to know.
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Post by xc4ever on Apr 19, 2010 20:10:58 GMT -5
james Denny and Nick Holdon remember those names ull be baffeled come june baffelled
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Post by hammercrazy on Apr 19, 2010 20:44:05 GMT -5
F T I was assuming that this was an OFSAA Track and Field thread. You know, track as in track and field. I guess I will just go sulk in my own thread...for fielders only, no trackies allowed! lol
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Post by limestonemiler on Apr 19, 2010 23:48:39 GMT -5
runner's bodies > thrower's bodies. er'ryone knows it. that said, i would prolly take a gymnast over a trackie any day... for obvious reasons.
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Post by lukesteer93 on Apr 20, 2010 14:20:39 GMT -5
lsm, i'm really disappointed i don't get updates on your life in this forum anymore. whatever happened to that?
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Post by limestonemiler on Apr 20, 2010 18:31:29 GMT -5
lsm, i'm really disappointed i don't get updates on your life in this forum anymore. whatever happened to that? It got to the point where it just wasn't cool anymore, y'know? However, I am heart set on setting up a Canada's Sexiest Runners thread.
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Post by speedgoggles on Apr 20, 2010 19:15:07 GMT -5
However, I am heart set on setting up a Canada's Sexiest Runners thread. It's on.
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Post by bg16 on Apr 20, 2010 19:38:12 GMT -5
james Denny and Nick Holdon remember those names ull be baffeled come june baffelled I'll believe it when I see it.
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